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June 10[edit]

Wikipedia:TRIVIALMENTION[edit]

Usually, people are looking for WP:TRIVIAL, which has seen more attention, has more information, and details guidelines instead of just restating them. While searching these redirects will probably include the target page as a result even without this redirect, it will not bring out WP:TRIVIAL. Thus, I think it'll be most helpful to navigation to retarget both of these redirects to WP:TRIVIAL.

I've also talked about the confusion a bit on the article creator's talk page. I believe that this is a good compromise instead of using a hatnote as I've previously advocated for. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand the request. WP:TRIVIAL is a redirect, and redirecting WP:TRIVIALMENTION there would create a double redirect. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, I mean retargetting it to where that redirect points to. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep/No Change: Currently, WP:TRIVIALMENTION is a redirect to the essay called "Wikipedia:Trivial mentions", which clearly makes sense. This redirect has been used int his way for more than a decade, and changing it would break the redirect in archived discussions. WP:TRIVIAL is a fine redirect, but doesn't discuss trivial mentions, and we shouldn't conflate the two. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Shooterwalker. Thryduulf (talk) 17:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Emigration from North Korea[edit]

This may refer to multiple topics. I propose to retarget it to Category:North Korean diaspora. GZWDer (talk) 12:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carpenters[edit]

I reverted a bold change of target from Carpentry to The Carpenters, but the idea deserves discussion. A disambiguation page is also an option. What do others think? Certes (talk) 11:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disamb makes the most sense, the terms seem co-primary for this redirect. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Carpenter (disambiguation) which already covers the plural. Thryduulf (talk) 12:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I came here undecided but support that option. The two most likely meanings are (perhaps fortuitously) right at the top of the dab. Certes (talk) 13:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to disambig (if we keep it at all). It's easy to link to either Carpenter or The Carpenters, there's no need for this to be there to support one in particular as any sort of 'convenience' or 'clarity' redirect. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nicktoons (TV network)[edit]

This title is a bit considerable considering the international versions of Nicktoons. But I'll also consider the other side of it towards deletion if the title is unmerited now. What do you think. Intrisit (talk) 11:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nicktoons (TV channel)[edit]

This title is ambiguous considering the international versions of it so it could be a DAB page. American Wikipedians may dispute this; that's why I've listed it here, since this title hasn't hasn't fallen into one before. Intrisit (talk) 11:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - Per nominator
TheNuggeteer (talk) 11:20, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

㌽[edit]

Why would the English Wikipedia redirect to non-English Wiktionary entries? Fram (talk) 10:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eh? The target is an English Wiktionary entry. Thryduulf (talk) 11:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wiktionary entries for non-English words or terms. Wiktionary starts with the languages an entry is in (the heading), and the only such heading here is "Japanese". For comparison, the entry for "bread"[1] has headings "English", "Middle English", "Old English", and "Spanish", so that is an English Wiktionary entry. Fram (talk) 11:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because English Wiktionary explains in English the meaning of the Japanese word that forms the character. I don't know that there is any exact meaning of point (disambiguation) that is represented by ㌽, so I leave the readers to find out what works in their case. --Error (talk) 11:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But why would we have redirects to explain words in other languages? We could add millions of redirects if we do this, for every word in every language. Fram (talk) 12:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. We have articles and redirects for characters (not words), because people want to know what they mean and look them up in Wikipedia. In this case the English Wiktionary entry is better than anything we have locally, so the soft redirect is the most helpful to readers. Thryduulf (talk) 12:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why would we allow redirects for foreign-language characters because people want to know what they mean, but not for words because people want to know what they mean? What makes characters so special? Fram (talk) 12:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because characters and words are not the same thing. The reason we don't have redirects for foreign words is expressed best at WP:RFOREIGN, those considerations don't occur for single characters. Thryduulf (talk) 12:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's a non-answer if ever I saw one. Why A and not B? "A and B are not the same, and here we explain why not B". Well yes, but you argue to keep A, and don't give a reason why the arguments would be different. Further, the page you list to is about internal redirects, not about redirects to Wiktionary or the like. You also claim that "those considerations don't occur for single characters", but most of the arguments in the "Rationale" section of that page apply just as well to single characters. Fram (talk) 12:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To editor Fram:: Is your objection to redirects to Wiktionary, redirects from non-Latin characters or redirects from CJK characters? --Error (talk) 14:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirects from characters, words, ... not in use in English and without an article here. Fram (talk) 14:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please wait before you create more similar redirects. You have now added ㍀ and ㍁, but if this one gets created, then adding more of the same onbly creates more work afterwards. Fram (talk) 12:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment There are tens of thousands of Han characters/Kanji. Is the plan to redirect all of them (or at least the reasonably common ones) to Wiktionary entries? What about characters in other scripts, or words in other languages? I actually agree that there is some value to a reader, however if you search for a Han character (arbitrary example) on Wikipedia, the corresponding Wiktionary entry will already appear in the search results on the side under the heading "Word definitions from Wiktionary". If the desire is to make the link to Wiktionary more prominent, that could be done much more efficiently with a few lines of CSS or JS instead of creating thousands of redirect entries. Just my 2¢. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 14:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I realize that the entry above is not Kanji but rather a "square katakana" symbol, of which Unicode has only ~100, but I think the general reasoning may still apply. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 15:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are some kanji categorized as Category:Kanji, Category:Kyōiku kanji. I think that Category:Simplified Chinese radicals‎ and Category:Kangxi radicals list most of the radicals. There are few redirects there, either because they don't exist or they are not categorized. Category:Specific_kana lists all of them, it seems. Picking one at random, ra has seven redirects from specific Unicode characters, all of them seem reasonable to me. --Error (talk) 16:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikiProject Open Access/OAFD[edit]

Cross namespace redirect that existed for 22 minutes. Gonnym (talk) 10:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Template → Wikipedia CNRs are uncommon but only problematic if transcluding the target would be harmful in some way (or it conflicts with something else). In this case it's not harmful (transclusion works fine) and it doesn't appear to be in the way of anything else. That said it isn't transcluded anywhere and I can't think of a reason why it would be transcluded (unlike {{OAFD}}). Ultimately I think I'm neutral. Thryduulf (talk) 11:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Druisk[edit]

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

This redirect is simply incorrect. It stems from a misinterpretation of a redirect in a paper encyclopedia printed over 100 years ago. Druysk is an agrotown in Vitebsk Oblast, Belarus, near Braslaw. It is situated over 200 km away from Kaunas, Lithuania. The mixup arose because the Jewish Encyclopedia (1906) contains the following entry:

DRUISK. See Kovno.

However, this just refers to the fact that Druysk belonged to the Kovno Governorate of the Russian Empire, an administrative division which covered a fairly large area, including Braslaw and its environs. For confirmation of this fact, one may consult this 1864 map of Kovno Governorate. Druysk (Друйскъ) is in fact the easternmost labelled locality on the whole map, found within the yellow-green (i.e., primarily Orthodox) region centered around Braslaw (Браславъ).

The Jewish Encyclopedia does this with other localities as well. For example, the entries for Dusyaty (Dusetos; Russian: Дусяты Dusyaty) and Eiragoly (Ariogala; Yiddish: אייראַגאָלע Eyragole) also redirect the reader to Kovno, and the entry for Eishishki (Eišiškės) points to Wilna.

What's even more confusing is the online version of the Jewish Encyclopedia hosted on StudyLight.org, cited in the previous RfD discussion, which includes full entries for these redirect entries that just transclude the content of the redirect target, without any indication that this is what's happening. Thus, the entry for Druisk is identical to the entry for Kovno, except for the header; the same applies to Eishishki and Wilna, and so forth.

Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, I would like to solidify the argument for deletion by showing that other written sources that talk about “Druisk” are in fact referring to the city in present-day Belarus and not using it as a synonym for Kaunas.

  • Cholawsky, Shalom (1998). The Jews of Bielorussia During World War II. Routledge. ISBN 9057021935.
    "Druisk" is mentioned alongside other towns in Belarus (e.g. Braslav, Glebokie, Dolhinov) and eastern Lithuania near the Belarusian border (e.g. Swienciany, Podbrodzh). None of these locations are near Kaunas.
  • Lokotko, Aleksandr; et al. (2013). Tourist Mosaic of Belarus. Belaruskaya navuka. ISBN 978-5-457-63663-7.
    “Druisk” is described as being in the region of Braslaw, listed alongside other nearby Belarusian localities such as Opsa and Ukolsk. Again, this description definitely does not apply to Kaunas.

By the way, in the course of researching this, I also noticed that Eiragoly → Eiguliai is probably another incorrect redirect. As mentioned above, this refers to Ariogala (here's a source to support the identification), not the Eiguliai neighborhood of Kaunas whose name is pretty different anyway. I hypothesize that the author of this redirect also created it based on the Jewish Encyclopedia, but in that case tried to make sense of it by finding a part of Kaunas with a somewhat similar name.

98.170.164.88 (talk) 07:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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