Talk:The Amazing Digital Circus

Inspiration

The creator of this Show claimed that it was inspired by Ellison's Work. L.R. Luther (talk) 11:03, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

That's true - but many other pieces of media were cited as inspirations as well. There's no reason to single out IHNMAIMS.--Eldomtom2 (talk) 17:42, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Then we should add them. L.R. Luther (talk) 00:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Wasn't this show also inspired by BFB

I'm pretty sure it's been stated by the creator that Caine is inspired by Four from BFDI (also Tadhg is misspelled in the beginning) Sitsitsi (talk) 19:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I would say that wrong however, does this have anything to do with the article @Sitsitsi NatwonTSG2 (talk) 22:37, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Caine was indeed inspired by AM (IHNMAIMS) and Four (BFB).[1] --Meester Tweester (talk) 13:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Nine episodes

I'm convinced the Cartoon Brew article is wrong about there being nine "more" episodes after the pilot, because Gooseworx has indicated a few times on Tumblr that there would be nine episodes including the pilot, before and after the article was posted ([2], [3]). But self-published social media posts aren't exactly allowed as sources. What should we do? User:SubZeroSilver (talk) 12:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Cartoon Brew would count as a third-party/unofficial source compared to Gooseworx herself, therefore we should most likely only include information spoken by her since whatever Cartoon Brew says might be a misunderstanding. SuperWikiBrother (talk) 20:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

This isn't a simple case of primary source vs secondary source, though. Although Gooseworx may be a primary source, their social media posts never explicitly say that there will be a total of 9 episodes (pilot + 8); at best they merely imply the possibility. To use them as a source for saying there will be a total 9 episodes in season 1 would definitely cross over into WP:OR. To pull the relevant quote from the policy:

"each statement in the article" must be "verifiable in a source that makes that statement explicitly. Source material should be carefully summarized or rephrased without changing its meaning or implication. Take care not to go beyond what the sources express".

However, it does still potentially cast some doubt on the accuracy of Cartoon Brew's reporting. So perhaps it would be warranted to simply remove the Cartoon Brew citation & the "nine episodes" mention from the article (until we either get corroboration or correction). — Jamie Eilat (talk) 22:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

I agree, Cartoon Brew's reporting is inaccurate. --Meester Tweester (talk) 13:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

news

part 2 is out please write something about it DoraTheMora (talk) 18:09, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

We already have enough information about episode 2. SuperWikiBrother (talk) 19:11, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@SuperWikiBrother but did you write about it DoraTheMora (talk) 18:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

No, but someone else has already added the episode summary and cast of one-off characters. We do not need anything more, or else we'll have to constantly add "episode # was uploaded on [DATE]" every time an episode comes out. SuperWikiBrother (talk) 19:17, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@SuperWikiBrother problem solved then. DoraTheMora (talk) 19:20, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2024

114.4.82.64 (talk) 08:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC) Gooseworx have confirmed on her tumlbr that there will be 8 episodes in total, with the pilot counting as the first episode. So please, change the 9 episodes to 8

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 10:17, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Can we please remove the "inspired by" section in the infobox?

None of the listed media casts a big enough shadow on the series to deserve being there. Eldomtom2 (talk) 15:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

It's still important to add all info we have to make the article accurate as possible. If the creators claim that TADC has inspiration from more works, Then we should add them. L.R. Luther (talk) 00:19, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't think you understand the purpose of the infobox. The list of works Gooseworx has cited as inspiration for TADC is in the double digits. Should we add all of them to the infobox?--Eldomtom2 (talk) 16:29, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, We should add them to make it accurate. I'll start adding the inspirations. L.R. Luther (talk) 17:09, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay, you clearly don't understand the purpose of the infobox.--Eldomtom2 (talk) 21:12, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

The INFObox was design to tell info about the media. That's what it's for. L.R. Luther (talk) 22:11, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

You two need to come to a consensus instead of continuing to edit war. Both of you are flirting with WP:3RR. Personally, I believe the information should be added to the infobox if there is notable coverage. We don't need to add inspiration in the double digits, just what has been covered in reliable sources. GSK (talk • edits) 02:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Exactly, It's important to leave the inspiration there. L.R. Luther (talk) 03:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Fundamentally my point is that infoboxes are not the place to list inspirations unless such inspirations cast a massive, massive shadow over the work. The inspirations of The Lord of the Rings are very well documented. But none of them are listed in the infobox.--Eldomtom2 (talk) 10:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

We should add that too. Also, The themes of TADC are just like IHNMAIMS L.R. Luther (talk) 16:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

I checked the instructions for Template:Infobox television and it says "Inspired by" is only for use when the inspiration is explicitly credited in the show. Case closed, the "inspired by" section is going.--Eldomtom2 (talk) 09:58, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

And the creators said that it was based on it. We should add it L.R. Luther (talk) 10:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

In this case, I agree with @Eldomtom2: IHNMAIMS is not explicitly credited in TADC, and its author is not listed in the show's Special Thanks credits. GSK (talk • edits) 12:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

The instructions don't say that it has to be explicitly credited in The Amazing Digital Circus. They only say that it has to be "explicitly credited". Gooseworx has explicitly cited the story as a inspiration. In my interpretation, this rule is just to avoid citing inspirations that sources think the series has (i.e. their interpretations) when the creator hasn't said anything. Here, the creator did confirm it. Skyshiftertalk 12:44, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

I think the instructions wouldn't use the words "explicitly credited" if they just meant "don't add it if you don't have a reliable source", which of course applies to anything in an infobox.--Eldomtom2 (talk) 13:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

It's more than that (again, in my interpretation). Multiple reliable sources could say that a series was inspired by X thing — that doesn't mean that the creator was actually inspired by it. So even if reliable sources said, in their reviews of the series for example, that they felt the series was inspired by X, we could only add it if the creator has explicitly confirmed it, which is the case. But of course I understand different interpretations and this should be discussed further. Skyshiftertalk 15:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Asked about this at WP:VPP and was pointed to this conversation when "inspired by" was added to {{Infobox television}}, which makes it clear that it is only to used for cases where there is an explicit credit in the show itself.--Eldomtom2 (talk) 16:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

I stand corrected. Skyshiftertalk 16:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

When you edit the page via "Visual Editing" It doesn't say anything about the media needing to claim where it's based or inspired by in the credits at all. L.R. Luther (talk) 17:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Consensus needs to be established one way or another because you are flying dangerously close to violating WP:3RR. Looking at the overall discussion here, I personally cannot see a clear consensus for or against that has been established and agreed upon. GSK (talk • edits) 17:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

The visual editing says otherwise. Again, who makes up these rules? L.R. Luther (talk) 18:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Policy is established via consensus, which you seem entirely unwilling to engage with. Considering your actions here and on the article itself, I have opened a discussion at WP:ANEW. GSK (talk • edits) 18:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

I'll check it out. L.R. Luther (talk) 18:48, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Source

@Beaumain: here is a source for one of the inspiration claims. I cannot click on this link myself to cite it accurately, but to you or interested contributors, here. https://twitter.com/GooseworxMusic/status/1619175744130945025?lang=en ~ GoatLordServant^(Talk) 11:14, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Also https://twitter.com/GooseworxMusic/status/1619176844607258624 ~ GoatLordServant^(Talk) 11:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Plan: GA

While there aren't many high-quality sources about the show, I'll try my best in bringing this to GA soon. I've started expanding the article. Skyshiftertalk 16:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I will support your plan since the show is widely popular among all ages and I had a good knowledge of this show NatwonTSG2 (talk) 17:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Well, that was faster than I expected, but yeah, it's now a GAN. Skyshiftertalk 01:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

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Nominator: Skyshifter (talk · contribs) 01:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

@Skyshifter The review is done, hope these can be addressed! Good luck to you and your fellow editors. :) Arconning (talk) 14:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Arconning (talk · contribs) 12:57, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

• I will be reviewing this article, comments will probably be finished in the next 72 hours! Good luck to the editors! Can't believe this article is up for GAN so I decided to take it up, lol. Arconning (talk · contribs)

Prose and MoS

Lead

• to the whims of a rogue artificial intelligence., change whims to a more formal word.
  • I don't see how "whims" is too informal. What word would you suggest instead?--Eldomtom2 (talk) 15:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

    Did "instructions", like the Synopsis section. Skyshiftertalk 18:27, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

• Gooseworx pitched the series to Glitch inspired, add comma after Glitch.

  Done Skyshiftertalk 17:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

• The pilot became viral and one..., rewrite to The pilot went viral and became one....

  Done Skyshiftertalk 17:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

• most viewed, add hyphen.

  Done Skyshiftertalk 17:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

• and was nominated for an Annie Award., add it before was.

  Done Skyshiftertalk 17:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Synopsis

• No issues. Pass.

Voice cast

• Would like to know if there's any source that supports the claims.. :)

  Added sources related to the characters. These sources don't confirm the voice actors; however, the actors are credited at the end of each episode. I think that, following the logic of MOS:PLOTSOURCE, it can be presumed that the episode's credits reference that information. If needed though, I can add the episodes as additional, primary references. PLOTSOURCE should also apply to some "Guests" to whom I couldn't find secondary sources. Skyshiftertalk 18:27, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Episodes

• but deserts, add she after but.

  Done Skyshiftertalk 17:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

• "void",, put comma inside of quotes in this situation.

  I don't think this is the case per MOS:QUOTECOMMA and MOS:LQ, unless I understood it wrong. Skyshiftertalk 17:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

• desire for one, but could, remove comma.

  Done Skyshiftertalk 17:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

• and the other NPCs,, with his feelings of worthlessness,, remove commas.

  Done Skyshiftertalk 17:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Background and production

• while Glitch Productions's founders Kevin and Luke Lerdwichagul, add commas after founders and Lerdwichagul.

  Done Skyshiftertalk 17:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

• which she accepted., which she then accepted.

  Done Skyshiftertalk 17:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Release

• The episode, "Candy Carrier Chaos!", was released on May 3, 2024. could be probably sourced with a secondary source rather than the primary one.

  Added ComicBook.com alongside it. Skyshiftertalk 17:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Reception

• By late November,, add year.

  Done Skyshiftertalk 17:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

• it surpassed 150 million views, it had surpassed...

  Done Skyshiftertalk 17:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

• and, by February, remove comma.

  Done Skyshiftertalk 17:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Images

• Image has proper licenses and is relevant to the topic.

Refs

• Refs are properly formatted with primary sources in a different section.
• The amount of primary sources is half of the secondary sources, hopefully more secondary sources can be provided for the article.

  I think the primary sources work well as a support for the secondary ones. I don't think more secondary sources can be added; there's not many high-quality sources talking about the series. Skyshiftertalk 17:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

  I added one additional source for the voice cast, and another one published just yesterday! Skyshiftertalk 18:27, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Spotchecks

• Manual and automated checking shows up nothing. Pass.

Misc.

• No ongoing edit war, neutral, focused on the topic, and broad in its coverage.

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

@Arconning: I believe everything has been addressed! Skyshiftertalk 18:27, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

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• ... that Gooseworx's original pitch for The Amazing Digital Circus was more chaotic and silly before becoming deeper and more nuanced?

• Source: Placido, Dani Di (2023-12-22). "The Amazing Digital Circus Team Talk The Making Of A Viral Hit". Forbes. Archived from the original on May 12, 2024. Retrieved 2024-05-12.

• ALT1: ... that the movements and glitches in The Amazing Digital Circus were inspired by Source Filmmaker and Garry's Mod machinimas? Source: Guerrero, Justin (December 4, 2023). "Interview: Kevin Temmer of The Amazing Digital Circus on the animation and Behind The Scenes". Comics Beat. Archived from the original on December 12, 2023. Retrieved 2023-12-09.
• ALT2: ... that Gooseworx designed the characters for The Amazing Digital Circus in under a week? Source: Placido, Dani Di (2023-12-22). "The Amazing Digital Circus Team Talk The Making Of A Viral Hit". Forbes. Archived from the original on May 12, 2024. Retrieved 2024-05-12.
• ALT3: ... that The Amazing Digital Circus is inspired by the 1990s and early 2000s 3D animation style? Source: Lang, Jamie (2023-10-26). "The Amazing Digital Circus Creator Gooseworx On Developing The Internet's Hottest Animated Pilot". Cartoon Brew. Archived from the original on 2023-11-01. Retrieved 2023-10-27.
• ALT4: ... that Gooseworx, the creator of The Amazing Digital Circus, had never worked with 3D animation before this project? Source: McKenzie, Theodore (7 November 2023). "Glitch on Character Animations in The Amazing Digital Circus". 80 Level. Archived from the original on 16 November 2023. Retrieved 16 November 2023.
• ALT5: ... that The Amazing Digital Circus is influenced by the short story "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream"? Source: Stanford, Kaitlin (2023-11-02). "What is the web series The Amazing Digital Circus? Why are people obsessed with it?". In The Know. Archived from the original on 2023-11-08. Retrieved 2023-11-03 – via Yahoo! Finance., King, Jade (2023-11-16). "The Amazing Digital Circus Is The Biggest Indie Animation In Years". TheGamer. Archived from the original on 2023-11-16. Retrieved 2023-11-18.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/69 (number)

Improved to Good Article status by Skyshifter (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 12 past nominations.

Skyshiftertalk 11:25, 18 May 2024 (UTC).

• Will be taking this review. 🌙Eclipse ^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:29, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Good to go! Approving ALT4. 🌙Eclipse ^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:56, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@LunaEclipse: sorry, I made a mistake. The source for ALT4 says that Goose "hadn't worked a lot with 3D", not that she never had worked with it. My mistake. I've fixed the article accordingly. Skyshiftertalk 23:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Approving ALT1 then. 🌙Eclipse ^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:23, 19 May 2024 (UTC)