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Tech News: 2024-19

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Screenshot of the visual improvements made on talk pages
Example of a talk page with the new design, in French.
  • The appearance of talk pages changed for all wikis, except for Commons, Wikidata and most Wikipedias (a few have already received this design change). You can read the detail of the changes on Diff. It is possible to opt-out these changes in user preferences ("Show discussion activity"). The deployment will happen at remaining wikis in the coming weeks. [1][2]
  • Interface admins now have greater control over the styling of article components on mobile with the introduction of the SiteAdminHelper. More information on how styles can be disabled can be found at the extension's page. [3]
  • Wikimedia Enterprise has added article body sections in JSON format and a curated short description field to the existing parsed Infobox. This expansion to the API is also available via Wikimedia Cloud Services. [4]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 May. It will be on all wikis from 9 May (calendar). [5][6]
  • When you look at the Special:Log page, the first view is labelled "All public logs", but it only shows some logs. This label will now say "Main public logs". [7]

Future changes

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Category:Union Theological Seminary (New York City) has been nominated for discussion

Category:Union Theological Seminary (New York City) has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Graham (talk) 19:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft:High Boost Filter

Hey, came across this draft at CopyPatrol. While I agree that they displayed the CC BY-SA icon and have a compatible version of the "You are free to:" and "Under the following terms:" text, they also have the following, which gives me pause: These can be used for personal or non-commercial purpose only) by giving due attribution with the following mentioned terms and conditions, otherwise, it will still be categorized as copyright violation. Right above that section, they talk about reserving "the full rights" on "commercial posting". So there's conflicting information. Thoughts? Maybe they don't get that there are different Creative Commons licenses? DanCherek (talk) 23:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@DanCherek, reading through the legal text, my understanding that the personal or non-commercial purpose is applicable on their trademark. Where the Trademark shall be used only in connection to the contents which are created by us, any individual user of the said Trademark/ Logo, or in connection with any other contents or company shall be treated as Infringement. These can be used for personal or non-commercial purpose only
There is no modification to the CC BY-SA to the text in their articles to my understanding of the legal text on their site. – robertsky (talk) 05:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
@DanCherek just to add... do point me along if there were prior discussions about this site. – robertsky (talk) 09:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
OK, makes sense (kind of), I guess they just did a bad job at clearly writing their terms. DanCherek (talk) 18:16, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Edits to Grove Collaborative Article

Hello User:Robertsky: I see you worked on the Grove Collaborative article back in 2022. I requested some corrections and updates to the article on March 6, and added them to the COI requested edits list

. I was wondering if you might have time to review the suggested edits? As a COI editor, I am committed to following the rules and best practices. Thank you and best. RJZGroveCo (talk) 19:36, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Please use the COI Edit request template on the talk page of the article concerned, not on a user talk page. If you are requesting the owner of the user talk page to do something, you shouldn't have to use a template since it will most likely notify them that an edit has been made to their user talk page even without a template. Shadow311 (talk) 22:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Derek G Peat (00:44, 5 May 2024)

Hi Robertsky,

I use Wikipedia regularly and have helped with funding. I discovered today that a colleague of mine had a page and thought I should have one too. I checked and there is no Derek Peat page, so before I attempt to create one, I obviously need to do a lot of "how to" reading. I'd like to ensure noone else starts a page about me. Can you tell me how to do this. Cheers, Derek --Derek G Peat (talk) 00:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@Derek G Peat, if you are not notable according to WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO, you should be fine. However, if you have prolonged exposure in the media and/or other expertise based publications, i.e. scientific journals, it is likely that you maybe written. – robertsky (talk) 03:40, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Wingwanger on Draft:2011 Canterbury Earthquake Citation (05:11, 9 May 2024)

Hello, I just wrote this article on the Canterbury Earthquake Citation. How does this look,.and how do I add pictures.

Thank you --Wingwanger (talk) 05:11, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Wingwanger for citations, see Help:Footnotes. for pictures, do upload only photos that you know are of compatible copyright free license taken by others, i.e. photos on news sites are likely not copyright free. Or if the photos are taken by yourself, you should ideally use a Creative Commons license. See Help:Pictures: If you need help uploading an image, or selecting a suitable image for an article, see the image use policy and the Manual of Style(→). Images on most websites are copyrighted and should not be uploaded; see the copyright policy. Please upload the highest resolution image possible, but keep the file size under 1,000 megabytes. – robertsky (talk) 03:46, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Shivacruz (05:28, 9 May 2024)

Hello, When i try edit one source its getting like this {{Reflist|2}} ? I am not understanding how to edit. Can you please help me with this? --Shivacruz (talk) 05:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Shivacruz, I have dropped a welcome message on your talk page with links to tutorials. Hopefully those are of help! – robertsky (talk) 03:55, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-20

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • On Wikisource there is a special page listing pages of works without corresponding scan images. Now you can use the new magic word __EXPECTWITHOUTSCANS__ to exclude certain pages (list of editions or translations of works) from that list. [9]
  • If you use the user-preference "Show preview without reloading the page", then the template-page feature "Preview page with this template (what's this?)" will now also work without reloading the page. [10]
  • Kartographer maps can now specify an alternative text via the alt= attribute. This is identical in usage to the alt= attribute in the image and gallery syntax. An exception for this feature is wikis like Wikivoyage where the miniature maps are interactive. [11]
  • The old Guided Tour for the "New Filters for Edit Review" feature has been removed. It was created in 2017 to show people with older accounts how the interface had changed, and has now been seen by most of the intended people. [12]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 May. It will be on all wikis from 16 May (calendar). [13][14]
  • The Special:Search results page will now use CSS flex attributes, for better accessibility, instead of a table. If you have a gadget or script that adjusts search results, you should update your script to the new HTML structure. [15]

Future changes

  • In the Vector 2022 skin, main pages will be displayed at full width (like special pages). The goal is to keep the number of characters per line large enough. This is related to the coming changes to typography in Vector 2022. Learn more. [16]
  • Two columns of the pagelinks database table (pl_namespace and pl_title) are being dropped soon. Users must use two columns of the new linktarget table instead (lt_namespace and lt_title). In your existing SQL queries:
    1. Replace JOIN pagelinks with JOIN linktarget and pl_ with lt_ in the ON statement
    2. Below that add JOIN pagelinks ON lt_id = pl_target_id

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The Signpost: 16 May 2024

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Question from Adnan Anamul on Talk:Jude Bellingham (21:32, 16 May 2024)

I love football and consider myself a good football player. I emulate you. My dream is to see you up close, I don't think this dream will come true. I want to show you my talent. I live in Bangladesh. --Adnan Anamul (talk) 21:32, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested move for Twitter article

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𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 06:19, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Page move.

Hello @Robertsky, Could you help revert this page move. I just realized there is need to disambiguate Dora the Explorer (franchise) and thr TV series. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 19:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

@SafariScribe Specifically, are you requesting to revert these two moves that you requested at RM/TR? – robertsky (talk) 20:00, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Yes. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 20:22, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
@SafariScribe  Done. Please file another request after you have made the updates as necessary. – robertsky (talk) 20:53, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Thank you. Of course I will. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 20:54, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-21

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • The Nuke feature, which enables administrators to mass delete pages, will now correctly delete pages which were moved to another title. [19]
  • New changes have been made to the UploadWizard in Wikimedia Commons: the overall layout has been improved, by following new styling and spacing for the form and its fields; the headers and helper text for each of the fields was changed; the Caption field is now a required field, and there is an option for users to copy their caption into the media description. [20][21]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 May. It will be on all wikis from 23 May (calendar). [22][23]
  • The HTML used to render all headings is being changed to improve accessibility. It will change on 22 May in some skins (Timeless, Modern, CologneBlue, Nostalgia, and Monobook). Please test gadgets on your wiki on these skins and report any related problems so that they can be resolved before this change is made in all other skins. The developers are also considering the introduction of a Gadget API for adding buttons to section titles if that would be helpful to tool creators, and would appreciate any input you have on that.

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Greek Orthodox Church

The page was protected with an edit made only half way. The last line in the list (Exarchate under the jurisdiction of the Orthodox Church in America (itself not part of Greek Orthodoxy)) was the header of the Albanian Archdiocese within OCA. Without it, the header could be deleted. I would do it myself, but I am not an editor. THanks. Coquidragon (talk) 00:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

@Coquidragon.. and you found yourself able to edit it now. :) I had a longer message about waiting for the protection to lapse, but you had already done it. Hopefully it does not bring about much contention while the discussion is still on ongoing! – robertsky (talk) 17:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Jeees777 (16:43, 23 May 2024)

how do you get the motivation to edit actively for multiple years for almost nothing in return, do you have a job? --Jeees777 (talk) 16:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jeees777, glad that you had asked. I have a job, but both do not interfere with each other.
  1. See https://xkcd.com/386/ It sums up perfectly the primary motivation. And the environment here is conducive for discourse to happen.
  2. After awhile, you gain a community here. Or two. Or three. Or on and on and on... Over time you will develop friendships with others here, sharing the same goal of building the repository of open knowledge be it by content, technical or other types of contributions.
– robertsky (talk) 16:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
cool bro :) Jeees777 (talk) 21:37, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

NPP School

Hey, Robert, I hope you are well. I recently discovered the NPP school. There is a lot of information available on that page, except for one thing that I also want to know: What will happen after completing the school? Will the graduate be granted NPP rights? GrabUp - Talk 09:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@Grabup, not sure. I didn't go through it. I went through the rough and tumble of AFC first before doing NPP. But looking at those who were previously trained, the graduates are typically granted the right if there are no further issues found by the reviewing admin. Of course, at the very least, the minimum conditions of granting the rights are still applicable. One should not use NPP school as a shortcut into getting the rights. – robertsky (talk) 09:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the information, I am also going throught AfC reviewing, till now I have reviewed 280 articles and thank you for granting me Rollback rights. I am actively countering vandalism with AntiVandal. GrabUp - Talk 09:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

DYK for 2024 Southeast Asia heat wave

On 25 May 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 2024 Southeast Asia heat wave, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that due to a 2024 heat wave in Southeast Asia, heat indices in the Philippines rose to dangerous levels, as high as 51 °C (124 °F)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/2024 Southeast Asia heat wave. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, 2024 Southeast Asia heat wave), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Journowatch (04:22, 25 May 2024)

Hello,

I am working to add new articles for journalists covering Southeast Asia. I have just added a first, but I spent several days preparing it. It is for France 24 journalist Matt Hunt, the regional correspondent. I am sure I made the page properly, but I want to check with you for guidance. Will keep editing in the meantime.

Thank you. --Journowatch (talk) 04:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@Journowatch, I declined the draft as It totally fails WP:GNG and WP:JOURNALIST. It requires multiple in-depth coverages from independent, reliable sources. Being a journalist doesn’t make him notable. To establish notability, it requires coverage of the subject. See WP:GNG and WP:JOURNALIST. GrabUp - Talk 04:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Thank you, will add and try again. Journowatch (talk) 04:37, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
I have gone back and added the required notability pieces you pointed out - stories from indpendent sources about the journalist's work. Bio, text, etc, the same. Journowatch (talk) 04:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
@Grabup I have gone back and added the required notability pieces you pointed out - stories from independent sources about the journalist's work. Bio, text, etc, the same. Thank you Journowatch (talk) 04:59, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
@Journowatch: As I said, it requires multiple “in-depth” coverages from independent, reliable sources. The sources you recently added are just passing mentions and can’t really establish notability. Read WP:SIGCOV to learn what in-depth means! GrabUp - Talk 06:24, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
@Grabup ok, will read and try again. Thank you Journowatch (talk) 06:26, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
@Grabup cut the page down, including all non-related sources per the guidelines sent. Added more links to fuller coverage of his work from independent sources. Now, I cannot "resubmit" as it's still pending, but I have saved/published the changes. Journowatch (talk) 06:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Robert Sim!

And I am okay can you please edit my user page Lirresss (talk) 14:44, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

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