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Candidates for speedy deletion

Talk:(16648) Hossi

2025 FIFA World Cup qualification

ALBANA (artist)

Andrei Severny(filmmaker)

April McClain-Delaney

Astronomy(album)

User:Atic1759

Basílica colegiata de Nuestra Señora de Guanajuato

Basilica of La Merced, Cusco

Baths of Chapultepec

Bombay(film)

Casa del Cordón, Santo Domingo

Chapel del Rosario, Puebla

Church and Convent of los Dominicos

Church and monastery of El Carmen Alto, Quito

Church of La Compañía, Arequipa

Church of la Recolección, León, Nicaragua

Church of Nuestra Señora de la Candelaria, Bogotá

Church of San Francisco, Bogotá

Church of Santo Domingo, Quito

Church of Santo Toribio de Mogrovejo

Colonial Art Museum of Bogotá

List of colonial buildings in Santo Domingo

Community(ecology)

Convent of Santo Domingo, Cusco

Darling Buds of May(album)

Dear Agony(album)

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East Side Story(film)

Firefly(comics)

For God And Country(book)

Gábor Nagy(born in 1985)

Gravity(album)

Guilty(album)

Hendricus Thijsen

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I Spy(book series)

Jack Forrest Jr.

James Brady(columnist)

John Mackey(businessman)

John Moriarty(football)

Kanthaswamy(film)

List of archaeological sites in Mexico City

List of buildings and structures in Cusco

List of buildings in Guanajuato City

List of buildings in Havana

List of buildings in Lima

List of buildings in Puebla City

List of colonial buildings in Arequipa

List of colonial churches in Mexico City

Mary Hardy(actuary)

Mendicant monasteries in Mexico

Mixcoac (archaeological site)

Monastery of Santa Rosa, Arequipa

Monastery of Santa Teresa, Arequipa

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Pat flaherty(actor)

Paul Donnelly(defender)

Paul Murray(footballer)

Polar Bear Trophy(football)

Draft:Pretty Crime

Talk:Rafi Obaydul Majumder

Rainy Day(band)

Richard Berkeley(d.1604)

Robert Barry(artist)

Royal Agricultural Society(a NSW agricultural organisation)

Ruby Sophia Rich

Santa Bárbara Military Cathedral

Santa Clara Church Museum

Screen Play(blog)

Shelly(actress)

Shrine of the Virgin of Guápulo

Spiritual Energy(album)

Tapada limeña

The After Party(album)

The Company(folk-rock band)

The Hooligan Factory(film)

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The Motion Theory(company)

The Royal Family(album)

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Tommy Kelly(footballer)

Total Italia (2018)

TOTAL Italia (2018)

Total Italia S.p.A. (2018)

Total Italia SpA (2018)

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Stephan Welk[edit]

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Non-notable person. While the sources provided all seem to be on the up-and-up, the overwhelming majority of them either are to websites that are now up for sale, return 404 errors, or flat-out can't be connected to. The sources that do properly function are all useless for notability - two are hits in catalogues for a book he wrote and the third is a non-sequitur. A search for sources brings up two Der Spiegel pieces about diplomatic document fraud and nothing else accessible or reliable. I will note that there is a BLP/N thread about this article (which is how I found it) but my putting it up for AfD is due to the sourcing woes and not because of the thread. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:26, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thirty Fifth Indian Expedition to Antarctica[edit]

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Simply a list of people, with no sources, or literally anything else other than a list of people. An XfD was attempted in the past, with no consensus. Trying again since there have been literally no edits to the page since the XfD was closed. Sadustu Tau (talk) 15:32, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Not sure if relevant, but there were no participants in the last XfD. Sadustu Tau (talk) 15:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete: The article should be speedy deleted under A1 as it lacks context. A normal reader would not be able to understand this article at all. GrabUp - Talk 15:56, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Merge, most sources that show up when looking up the subject seem to talk about India in Antarctica as a whole. ✶Qux yz ✶ 16:25, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Azealia Banks' controversies[edit]

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I believe this article (a borderline attack page, which has had some material suppressed) is an unnecessary fork from Banks' main article and goes against the spirit of our biographies of living persons guideline and gives undue weight to very minor internet controversies and brief spats (see also: WP:COATRACK). There may be reliable sources on some of Banks' various feuds, but not every single one of them needs to be recorded per WP:NOTNEWS; especially given how Banks has attacked and criticized most mainstream celebrities at this point. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 14:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Muhamad Sharip Othman[edit]

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I could not find out if this person passes WP:GNG and WP:NBIO, not to mention the page contains some pretty shady and unsourced information. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 14:50, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Peter Berlin (lawyer)[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. Sources are either unreliable, not independent, or provide significant coverage. GMH Melbourne (talk) 13:50, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No indication of notability, notwithstanding the "Top 100 Trial Lawyers" and "Super Lawyer" pseudo-awards. TJRC (talk) 18:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2025 FIFA Club World Cup qualifying[edit]

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There is no qualification page for the Club World Cup because it isn't a qualification tournament like others. Other competitions qualify you and all those pages are linked to in the main article. This page just repeats a lot of information already available. Chris1834 Talk 13:31, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello. I understand that there is repeated information, but other information is not. The ranking system is nowhere to be found, as it is deleted from the main page every time the teams qualified by ranking. What I propose is that if the page is deleted, the tables be placed somewhere, either in the articles of the continental tournaments, or in the Club World Cup article. If you tell people that a team is qualified by ranking and at no time show them that ranking, they will not understand it Largopajero (talk) 15:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will give you an example. In argentine Primera Division the relegation is defined by a table made up of several tournaments, there is no tournament that defines it, but the table is shown somewhere. In this case we can't even put a link to the 4-year confederations' ranking because it is nowhere to be found. It must appear somewhere.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Argentine_Primera_Divisi%C3%B3n#Relegation_based_on_coefficients Largopajero (talk) 16:06, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

88 (Arracan) Battery Royal Artillery[edit]

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Article contains no references to prove notability and is about a company-sized unit PercyPigUK (talk) 13:21, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep or Merge and Redirect to 4th Regiment Royal Artillery. Given its long history I'd be very surprised if there wasn't information out there. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joerg Stadler[edit]

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Article subject requests deletion. (VRT Ticket 2024051410010337) Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 13:19, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Appears to have been a prolific character actor, his most well-known role is likely the "Saving Private Ryan" appearance. I don't find any sourcing about him, appears marginally notable. I'm ok with the subject's request for deletion, there isn't a strong case to !keep. Oaktree b (talk) 14:05, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Azeem Sajjad[edit]

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Fails NACTOR and WP:DIRECTOR since he didn't have major roles in TV dramas, and also the TV dramas and film he directed fail GNG themselves. The subject also doesn't meet GNG. Anyone willing to prove me wrong must either provide Three best coverage references for assessment based on GNG, prove that he had major roles in those TV dramas for meeting NACTOR, or show that the TV dramas/film he directed meet GNG themselves. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 13:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Martin Suchý[edit]

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This Slovak men's footballer last played for Czech club Karviná before disappearing from the football world. Under the keyword "Martin Suchý", search engine results almost exclusively come up with other men of the same name. The best source found from my search is an interview by SME that covers his current life, but something tells me these kinds of articles are not independent or in-depth per WP:GNG. Corresponding articles in other languages are unsourced stubs (I checked and translated them). Clara A. Djalim (talk) 12:50, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bez-MX[edit]

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DePRODed with the rationale that coverage of the game in two reviews meets WP:GNG - I was unable to find any additional reviews on Archive.org, and I think that two reviews is insufficient to show notability. The Computer Gaming World and Softalk reviews are in-depth, but the mention in Softline is very brief and is largely about the developer, and coverage of the game there may be summarized as 'this game is coming out at some point and is based on defense projects by Ronald Reagan'. The article could be redirected to List of Apple II games, but I don't think non-notable entries should be on the list. Pinging involved editors - article creator @BOZ:, @Cunard:, who removed the PROD, and @Cocobb8:, who added the PROD. Waxworker (talk) 12:48, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Even if there are two potentially reliable journal sources, WP:AGEMATTERS. I don't see any lasting coverage of the video game after its release. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 13:02, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I looked at WP:AGEMATTERS and that seems to be pertaining to older sources becoming less accurate over time, rather than having anything to do with needing more recent sources for lasting coverage. BOZ (talk) 15:34, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AGEMATTERS doesn't apply here, that's more about the changing perception of events, not an old video game. You could argued WP:SUSTAINED perhaps. Not sure I agree with it, but it would be a plausible application at least. Sergecross73 msg me 15:50, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - undecided on notability, but leaning towards not retaining the article. It's so short and vague that it hardly conveys anything to the reader, and it borders on COPYVIO territory in the way that the reception is largely lazy copy/pastes of review content. I could be persuaded otherwise if someone showed improvement was possible, but the article was created 4 years ago by an active editor, so I'm not hopeful that's happening. Sergecross73 msg me 15:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

6th North Carolina Infantry Regiment[edit]

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Fails GNG and NORG. No sources found meeting WP:SIRS, nothing addressing the subject directly and indepth. Article does not indicate any engagements in which the unit was notable.

Source eval table:

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Blog post/timeline, fails WP:RS, does not have SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indpeth	*https://civilwarintheeast.com/confederate-regiments/north-carolina/6th-north-carolina-infantry-regiment/
Enthusiast website, fails WP:RS	*https://www.carolana.com/NC/Civil_War/6th_nc_volunteers_regiment.html
Troop register, fails WP:IS, SIGCOV. Government troop registers do not show notability	*https://www.carolana.com/NC/Civil_War/Register_of_North_Carolina_Troops_1861.pdf
Fails WP:IS, WP:RS, Memories written down in 1901 source states, "WRITTEN BY MEMBERS OF THE RESPECTIVE COMMANDS."	*https://www.carolana.com/NC/Civil_War/Histories_of_the_Several_Regiments_and_Battalions_from_NC_in_the_Great_War_Volume_I_Walter_Clark_1901.pdf
Troop register, fails WP:IS, SIGCOV. Government troop registers do not show notability	Register of North Carolina Troops, 1861, by John Spelman page 13.
Duplicate of above ref	Capt. Lawson Harrill on April 9, 1901, page 786-808 in the "History of the Several Regiments and Battalions from North Carolina in the Great War-'65-Volume 1.

Ping me if IS RS with SIGCOV are found. // Timothy :: talk 17:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: You might find more sources if you search the 16th North Carolina, which is apparently what this regiment was reorganized as in June 1861. The 16th doesn't seem to have a Wikipedia article, which is interesting given its combat history (Antietam, Gettysburg, Fredericksburg, and others). It might be worth rewriting the article for the 16th North Carolina, noting its origins as the 6th Volunteers. Intothatdarkness 00:35, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reply:This sounds like a good solution. If @PaulusHectorMair: feels this is a good solution and wants to pursue it, I will support drafting as "16th North Carolina Infantry Regiment" or another appropriate title. The author is new, I'm not sure they know this discussion is taking place, PaulusHectorMair if you could reply here with your thoughts, even if it is just to let us know you are aware of the discussion. // Timothy :: talk 00:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TimothyBlue, Intothatdarkness, and PaulusHectorMair: - Let's hold up a minute on this. There's a conflation going on here - the "6th North Carolina Volunteers" was the unit that became 16th Regiment per this but there's also a separate 6th North Carolina Infantry Regiment. Per this brief NPS listing it had quite a bit of fighting, and the State of North Carolina published an entire book on this 6th Infantry. Hog Farm _Talk 01:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reply So if I'm following this right:

This article (as currently written) is about the unit that was reorganized into the 16th North Carolina Infantry Regiment. Its currently named "6th North Carolina Infantry Regiment" but it was actually the "6th North Carolina Volunteers"

There is another unit "6th North Carolina Infantry Regiment" that is unconnected to the current article or the 16th North Carolina Infantry Regiment.

Let me know if I've got something wrong. // Timothy :: talk 01:28, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hog Farm, I thought about pinging you, but didn't want to run into the whole canvassing thing with AfD. The ACW isn't one of my major fields, especially Confederate units, so I just did a basic search. I wondered about the Volunteer/Infantry thing, but I've seen it used interchangeably with other units. I of course defer to your expertise. Intothat darkness 12:28, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. I am indeed aware of this discussion and have been checking it every few hours or so. I would be open to pursuing an article on the 16th, as this was my original goal. I should have realized sooner that the two regiments were different, and frankly I am questioning my competence for such a silly mistake. PaulusHectorMair (talk) 01:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Making silly mistakes is part of the job... :) // Timothy :: talk 01:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Covenant Reformed Presbyterian Church (denomination)[edit]

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Micro-denomination of three churches with no reliable sources to establish notability via significant coverage. All existing sources fail to establish notability:

Link - Primary Source
Link - Appears to be a reliable source with coverage on page 15, but note on page 2 that the author of the coverage on page 15 is/was a senior leader within the subject of the article and thus this source is not independent.
Link. Self-published source of questionable reliability, not updated for a decade.
Link Primary source
Link - Erroneously cited and fails verification. The citation describes as "Doctrines of the Covenant Reformed Presbyterian Church"; the actual title of the paper is different.
Link - Fails verification for notability; does not reference subject.
Link - Trivial/passing mention of denomination in longer discussion of one of its member churches
Link - Trivial/passing mention of denomination in longer discussion of one of its member churches
Link - Primary source
Link - Primary source
Link - This page is content copied from a self-published primary source formerly associated with the subject.
Link - Online directory page; equivalent to citing the Yellow Pages. Fails verification for notability.
Link - Primary source

Editors arguing for "Keep" in the 2022 non-consensus AfD discussion depended heavily on 2 and 5; however, as I've shown here, 2 is not an independent source for notability, and 5 fails verification. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:SIGCOV. The sources are either a walled garden type or passing mentions in directories. This is yet another non-notable splinter Calvinist group. Bearian (talk) 18:36, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hasan Khan (actor)[edit]

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Another BLP on a non-notable actor created by BeauSuzanne (talk · contribs) who has a dubious editing history. The subject does not meet criteria outlined in the relevant WP:NACTOR as well basic WP:GNG. No evidence indicating significant roles in notable films, TV dramas, etc. Merely being in a film or TV drama does not make one Inherently notable. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 19:54, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: He is a notable actor. And how he started his career and everything can be found in his interviews with The News Internatioanl and daily times.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 07:09, 1 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]

As the creator of this BLP, you've to provide references to support claims made about her significant roles. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 09:25, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

His notable roles in drama Dil-e-Veran, Amrit Aur Maya, Soteli Mamta, Juda Hue Kuch Iss Tarhan, Soya Mera Naseeb and Hina Ki Khushboo. These sources have mentioned his acting career and education.^[1]^[2]^[3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by BeauSuzanne (talk • contribs)

References

^ "Hasan Khan". The News International.
^ "Hasan Khan — the superstar of tomorrow". The News International.
^ "Stunning and brilliant – Hasan Khan". The News International.

These paid interviews = primary sources. Do you have any substantial evidence ? --—Saqib (talk | contribs) 11:25, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These aren't paid interviews. These newspapers interviews many other actors and models as well and they write about everything. The News International is owned by Jang News Group which is one of the oldest newspaper in Pakistan. Daily Times was run by Politician Salman Taseer until his death. The News International also Daily Times are both English major newspapers in Pakistan.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 11:59, 1 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]

I'm not questioning the credibility of the sources, but rather the interviews themselves. While it's common for actors to be interviewed, these interviews alone may not sufficiently demonstrate that the subject meets the WP:GNG or WP:N. Additionally, these interviews (primary coverage) are not sufficient to verify claims of significant roles in TV dramas/films. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 12:14, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: The creator of this BLP @BeauSuzanne is suspected UPE and a SPI is underway . —Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:36, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As noted in another AfD also regarding a sock insinuation involving the same users, also on the May 7 log, "unless something is confirmed, best not to mention it." Calling someone a suspected sock without confirmation is inflammatory and biasing. Furthermore, that linked sock investigation shows that checkuser did not establish connection between BeauSuzanne and the other names. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 07:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doczilla, Sure - this one is old comment and I have retracted allegations of socking since then. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 10:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, but you didn't retract it here. It would have been appropriate if you had struck that out yourself. I would suggest doing so if you have any other lingering sock accusations that you have not directly clarified. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 15:31, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These sources (primary source) are used in other articels as well.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 12:25, 1 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Delete: Promo BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article do not meet WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth, are mainly promo bios, interviews, and name mentions in routine mill news, BEFORE found nothing that meets WP:SIRS. Above sources are promo interviews, fail WP:IS, and do not demonstrate notability . BLPs require strong sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 19:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jocelyn Kapumealani Ng[edit]

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Does not appear to meet WP:NARTIST or WP:GNG. Hitro talk 09:39, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Arab Canadian identity[edit]

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Follow-up to the deletion of:

All written by the same user that have also been deleted for the same reasons, this similarly written article has the same problems. WP:SYNTH + WP:REFBOMBED issues where the article just references random articles with the phrase "Arab Canadian" or "Arab-Canadian (identity)" in it. NLeeuw (talk) 08:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sachal Afzal[edit]

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Another BLP on a non-notable actor created by BeauSuzanne (talk · contribs) who has a dubious editing history. The subject does not meet criteria outlined in the relevant WP:NACTOR as well basic WP:GNG. No evidence indicating significant roles in notable films, TV dramas, etc. Merely being in a film or TV drama does not make one Inherently notable. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 19:55, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Sachal was a well known model before starting his acting career. The sources Express Tribune and The news International have written about his modeling career and also his background too.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 07:14, 1 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]

As the creator of this BLP, you've to provide references to support claims made about her significant roles. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 09:25, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In these sources both are news international mentions his career and education. His significant roles are in dramas Mannat Murad, Sara Sajeeda, Bakhtawar, Adawat and Zulm.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 11:11, 1 May 2024 (UTC))^[1]^[2][reply]

References

^ "More than meets the eye". The News International.
^ "Sachal Afzal". The News International.

These paid interviews = primary sources. Do you have any substantial evidence ? —Saqib (talk | contribs) 11:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a paid interviews. The News International newspapers has interviewed many other actors and models too and it writes every important news. The News International is owned by Jang News Group which is one of the oldest newspaper in Pakistan. The News International is a major English newspaper in Pakistan.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 12:03, 1 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]

I'm not questioning the credibility of the sources, but rather the interviews themselves. While it's common for actors to be interviewed, these interviews alone may not sufficiently demonstrate that the subject meets the WP:GNG or WP:N. Additionally, these interviews (primary coverage) are not sufficient to verify claims of significant roles in TV dramas/films —Saqib (talk | contribs) 12:23, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As someone who contributed to this page, how can we substantiate if these itws were "staged" or not, and if we can't, shouldn't we assume that the default position is that they aren't ? Also he's one of the leading male models of the country and one of the rising actors as well (secondary roles in the leading productions of the country), he has awards and nominations in both fields, shouldn't that be enough to assert his "credibility" ? Metamentalist (talk) 16:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Its essential to apply WP:COMMONSENSE when assessing coverage to asses its credibility. In this instance, the coverage seems to align more with WP:NEWSORGINDIA and exhibits characteristics of WP:CHURNALISM-style reporting.Your statement seems to suggest WP:ILIKEIT. To substantiate your stance, you'd need to provide evidence demonstrates the subject meets WP:N —Saqib (talk | contribs) 16:26, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"The News International" is a credible newspaper of the country, not some "yellow journalism" directed towards rumors about celebrities or something, so I was submitting the proposition that the first assumption should be positive and not negative, and my second point is that even if you do admit the source are refutable the man is still one of the best known male models in the country as well young actors (as substantiated by awards and nominations, also sourced). Metamentalist (talk) 19:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not that The News itself isn't reliable, but rather this specific piece which doesn't quite cut it to meet WP:RS and establish subject's WP:N. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 19:14, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But that info is confirmed by another source (Express Tribune, also "credible") & also does that impact the fact that the WP:N is met by the fact that he's one of the most awarded male models of the country + an actor in some of the country's most watched dramas produced by the best known media houses ? Metamentalist (talk) 19:23, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BeauSuzanne and Metamentalist The subject clearly fails to meet the GNG, and neither of you has been able to provide solid evidence thus far. When examining this through the lens of WP:NACTOR, a Google search also hasn't yielded anything substantial to prove that the dramas/films in which he acted are significant works. Therefore, the subject fails to meet the NACTOR - even if he played lead roles in them, BUT I haven't seen verification of that either. It appears he only did MINOR roles, and I can say this with certainty. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 21:00, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Promo BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article do not meet WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth, are mainly promo bios, interviews, and name mentions in routine mill news, BEFORE found nothing that meets WP:SIRS. Above sources are interviews, [1]. BLPs require strong sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 19:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Maratha–Nizam wars[edit]

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This article clearly fails WP:GNG & full of WP:SYNTH mess and WP:OR. Maratha–Nizam wars? More like every war against Marathas (as it is mixed up by Anglo-Maratha wars and French conflicts with Marathas) and there's no source for the timeline of this event (1720-1819), clearly fabricated by the author of the page. Neither I found any source explicitly referring to it as Maratha–Nizam wars nor did I find sources for its fictional timeline of 1720-1819. Based Kashmiri (talk) 15:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey!!

I have noticed that there is a discussion happening about the articles on the Maratha-Nizam wars. I am eager to participate and cast my vote for the article. After thoroughly reviewing the content, I have concluded that it comprehensively covers all the necessary information, supported by reliable sources in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines.I think that all the paragraphs in the article accurately depict the context and are verifiable according to Wikipedia guidelines WP:VERIFY.

Here is one source that mentioned it as maratha nizam wars:

•Britannica:[2]

•Britanicca(for further details):[3]

I think britannica is a better and clearly citing source for the article.It's verifiability and reliability can be checked at ->

•[4]

Timeline isn't mentioned in the heading of article but it is mentioned in the infobox.If there are any doubts some some sources are definitely needed for a better understanding about the timeline with the citation.But if article is undergoing deletion because of it's heading than the Britannca is one of the sources that cites it as 'Maratha -Nizam War' not as 'Anglo-Maratha War'.[5]

Suggestion:It is recommended that the editors and administrators involved in this matter thoroughly examine all sources and make decisions from a neutral Favourable Renaming the article to 'Maratha-Nizam War' instead of 'Maratha-Nizam Wars' would be appropriate as the Britannica source also refers to it in the singular form, given that the article primarily covers individual battles rather than overarching conflicts.

Thanks!! Kemilliogolgi (talk) 10:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know what you mean, but the source you shared doesn't cover the Maratha-Nizam war in its body instead it spun around the Anglo-Maratha wars. If you'll search "Maratha-Nizam war" under Britannica's sort searching then you won't find any article on Maratha Nizam war through filter searching under Britannica again I don't know how you concluded that it covers this topic while we don't find a single article on it. We know that Britannica is WP:RS but as I said it doesn't even cover this topic so kindly provide sources for Maratha-Nizam war 1720-1819.
Timeline isn't mentioned in the heading of article but it is mentioned in the infobox, that's the issue we don't find this particular timeline in any source. The author too is clearly aware of this therefore they didn't cite any source for this timeline. It's clearly a mix of several hostilities between Nizam, Marathas, Anglos and French and represented as "Maratha Nizam war". Based Kashmiri (talk) 11:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The nominator clearly lacks an understanding of what WP:GNG entails, and I strongly suspect that this action is against me as the author because I nominated their articles for AFD. Please specify the section on the talk page where the sources were synthesized. Neither the Anglo-Maratha wars nor the French-Maratha conflicts are included; technically, it's feasible to add them since the article's scope covers conflicts between two parties: the Nizam and the Marathas, regardless of whether they were supported by the British East India Company, the French, or any other entities. I am listing the sources that explicitly state "Maratha-Nizam War(s)".

822 results in JSTOR [13] almost 3,000 results in ProQuest[14]. and we have several other sources that do not explicitly mention "Maratha-Nizam wars" but provide detailed descriptions of the entire conflicts (a lot in the article itself). I will await the nominator to post the synthesized part on the talk page. Wikipedia is a collaborative project, not a platform for someone to boast their ego.--Imperial ^[AFCND] 16:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The nominator clearly lacks an understanding of what, then why don't you show us a single source covering this event as Maratha-Nizam war (1720-1819)?
Neither the Anglo-Maratha wars nor the French-Maratha conflicts are included; technically, it's feasible to add them since the article's scope covers conflicts between two parties be sure. Is it conflicts or wars? It's clearly noticeable from the artificial timeline of this event (1720-1819) that it's heavily synthesized.
the Nizam and the Marathas, regardless of whether they were supported by the British East India Company, the French, or any other entities. I am listing the sources that explicitly state "Maratha-Nizam War Now that is WP:OR and WP:SYNTH you're mixing Anglo Maratha wars and French conflicts with Marathas just to get a fictional timeline so it can be "Nizam victory", Now I'd say it's also WP:POVFORK and please WP:DONTHOAX. Now let us look at the sources provided by you. The first two sources are identical.

[15] only gives insights of Maratha-Nizam war of 1751-52 but there's no Maratha nizam war 1720-1819 as currently the timeline decided by the author.
The third one [16] only talks about Maratha-Nizam hostilities of 1785-1787 again there's no mention of Maratha-Nizam war 1720-1819.
Fourth source [17] is not accessible so it'd be helpful if you provide a quotation for the Maratha-Nizam war 1720-1819.
Coming to the 5th source [18] again not accessible so provide a quotation for Maratha-Nizam war 1720-1819
Next [19] only found a topic of "Maratha-Nizam relations" I wonder if this led you to the conclusion of Martha-Nizam war 1720-1819.
At last, [20] this also can't be accessed so provide a quotation for Maratha-Nizam war 1720-1819.

Now coming to filter/sort keyword searching through JSTOR and ProQuest. Anyone can see that, It gives NO result for even the "Maratha-Nizam War" as a whole forget including timeline, all we see is individual results for Maratha and Nizam. So that's how you concluded that it has almost 3800 results (from both JSTOR and ProQuest)?
You have yourself yelled that we have several other sources that do not explicitly mention "Maratha-Nizam wars" but provide detailed descriptions of the entire conflicts hence proved it contains synthesis. And above too the sources provided by you don't give insights of Maratha-Nizam war 1720-1819.Based Kashmiri (talk) 03:50, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ImperialAficionado Indeed Wikipedia is a collaborative project therefore we have to make sure that an article shouldn't exist in mainspace as long as it doesn't pass general notability, and contains synthesis, original research and POVFORK. And No one is being egoistic here. Why do you think so?Based Kashmiri (talk) 03:53, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Based Kashmiri, you're just increasing the volume of discussion with no improvement. You still haven't provided the synthesised part in the talk page, failed to prove it's not notable (waiting for others to make thier comments). There is a thing called WP:UCS. The "Maratha–Nizam wars" basically ends with the fall of the Marathas, as their conflicts lasted till then. The article body covers the contributions of the Nizam for the fall of the Marathas. Cheers. Imperial ^[AFCND] 07:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I literally showed how the sources provided by you (most of them don't even cover "Maratha-Nizam war" but cover some relations and hostilities). We just need a single source for the specific Maratha-Nizam war 1720-1819 and I'll pull off the prod with myself. Maratha–Nizam wars" basically ends with the fall of the Marathas, as their conflicts lasted till then. At least provide a source to back your statements, this is WP:OR and no WP:UCS doesn't give you waivers for extending the timeline on your own. We're still waiting for you to provide sources for your defined Maratha-Nizam war (1720-1819).Based Kashmiri (talk) 10:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Nominators arguments are nowhere found in the article. I don't understand how this doesn't pass WP:GNG. Suggesting the nominator to keep personal bias away, as it seems to be the problem here.--DeepstoneV (talk) 18:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Nominators arguments are nowhere found in the article. I don't understand how this doesn't pass WP:GNG." You also didn't understand that a screenshot from YouTube video is not a reliable source (at Gupta empire talk page), I already replied how this article is fully based on WP:OR, WP:SYNTH, POVFORK and it doesn't passes general notability. Feel free to reply to my response below. Based Kashmiri (talk) 04:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh dear, you're taking everything personally. What was the reason to drag another discussion here? Please don't continue this thread, or use other talk pages. Imperial ^[AFCND] 07:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ImperialAficionado it'd be better if you give this advice to DeepstoneV as at first they accused me of having Personal bias. Based Kashmiri (talk) 14:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This article appears to amalgamate various wars without citing any reliable sources that acknowledge such a conflict by this name. The timeline presented (1720-1819) seems implausible, and the outcome is equally questionable. Even if the Nizam’s actions in Anglo-Maratha Wars contributed to the Maratha downfall, that could be the subject of a separate article. It’s not appropriate to include it in a comprehensive conflict spanning over a century. This inclusion could distort the narrative and lead to misinformation. A MUST DELETE ONE! --Mohammad Umar Ali (talk) 08:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, we might also have to delete Ahom-Mughal conflicts, Roman–Persian Wars, Roman–Parthian Wars....etc. Imperial ^[AFCND] 08:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And probably Ghaznavid campaigns too! Mohammad Umar Ali (talk) 08:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ImperialAficionado kindly refrain from pushing WP:OTHERCONTENT you should go through WP:AADP. I'd not extend it because of WP:OTHERCONTENT but since you already gone off topic so I'd respond to it.
In Roman–Persian Wars and Roman–Parthian Wars the dates and timeline of the wars are already cited in the lead but that's not the case in Maratha–Nizam wars you have not cited any source in the lead or even in the article body to support your preferred timeline of 1720-1819 neither you're providing sources here for this timeline.
Similarly we can't do the same with Hundred Years' War and Seven Years' War because its timeline is affixed by scholars. Based Kashmiri (talk) 13:12, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There was no prolonged war but the wars that happened time to time with each of them taking years of years. The article is misleading also because it was the British Empire who caused elimination of Maratha Empire, not Hyderabad State. Ratnahastin (talk) 11:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, As per above comment Rawn3012 (talk) 02:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Can't find any source for this war either which is almost a hundred year timeline conflict. WP:LOTSOFGHITS and WP:THISNUMBERISHUGE proves nothing (Considering that no such protracted war ever happened in South-Asia). The above Keeps are more like WP:BUTITEXISTS and WP:EDPN.

Recommended: I'd suggest WP:SPLIT for a particular war/conflict/hostility (of course, only ones which are notable). --Jonharojjashi (talk)

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Interior Design Masters series 4[edit]

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Redirect to Interior Design Masters. Fails WP:GNG, lacks significant coverage in multiple independent secondary sources. Mostly original research. Dan arndt (talk) 07:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Interior Design Masters series 5[edit]

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Redirect to Interior Design Masters. Fails WP:GNG, lacks significant coverage in multiple independent secondary sources. Mostly original research. Dan arndt (talk) 07:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dominant CZ[edit]

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Does not meet WP:NORG criteria. The page was obviously written as self-promotion. After restructuring in 2021 and renaming to DOMINANT Genetika s.r.o., it has only 10-19 employees (according to the Business Register). The page is said to have been translated from cswiki, but it has already been deleted there as well. FromCzech (talk) 07:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: An article here gives a more detailed history of the firm's several restructurings (prior to the most recent restructuring mentioned in the nomination), indicating Dominant CZ was founded in 1998. AllyD (talk) 07:18, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: An article on a family firm, consisting mainly of a product list referenced to their own site. Searches find mainly routine coverage (company listings, distribution partners, trade shows); the Redcomb Genetics item linked above is the best available but falls short of demonstrating notability. AllyD (talk) 14:30, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Americans killed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine[edit]

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Mainly due to lack of notability, WP:NOTNEWS, and the obvious bias issue in having this list. In addition the list contained original research listing the Telegram channel 'TrackANaziMerc' as a source since February. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:11, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting topic.... would have never searched for it on my own. There seems to be substantial sourcing for this if it wants to be improved no? Moxy🍁 20:18, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are the only two sources I could find that treat the topic as a group: [21] (paywalled so can't review) and [22], and this latter source isn't very in depth about it. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:24, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've been able to read the Washington Post link thanks to a gift I was sent: I don't believe the Washington Post is dealing with solely Americans having been killed in the war, but rather the idea and reasons behind Americans serving overseas in Ukraine - the Washington Post article is more suited for foreign fighters in the Russo-Ukrainian War rather than this list. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:41, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Keep, I got a proposal to change the topic to "List of Americans killed in the Russo-Ukrainian War" , which @EkoGraf, the creator of the list, doesn't oppose to it, maybe we could change the topic first before we nominate to delete?

PoisonHK _{Sapiens dominabitur astris} 14:21, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The title/period isn't the issue with the list. Also speedy keep cannot apply here. Traumnovelle (talk) 18:39, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, also article is incomplete and need expantion. If the title is changed to List of Americans killed in the Russo-Ukrainian War we should include American killed during the War in Donbas 2014-2021.Mr.User200 (talk) 14:26, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep it pass notability and WP:RS with sources as The Guardian, Politico and Yahoo News. Shadow4dark (talk) 16:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But do they deal with the topic as a group like this? Routine news coverage doesn't establish notability of the topic as a list. Traumnovelle (talk) 18:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Replace "Routine news" with better sources, it pass clearly notability. Shadow4dark (talk) 04:45, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What? Traumnovelle (talk) 21:02, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as article creator, notability established as mentioned by RS, also agree to article expansion to include those from the Donbas War. EkoGraf (talk) 18:18, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. Regarding lack of notability, NOTNEWS, and bias, I disagree with all three. I think it's pretty notable and informative for Americans and others to known how many died in a war they heavily funded. NOTNEWS I think is exempt in a list. To achieve completeness a list often must exhaust news coverage. And bias, I agree and disagree, but don't believe it's a problem. Making a list of Americans killed only shows coverage bias, similar to how there are so many pages and information about alleged Russian war crimes and negative stuff about Russia but very few covering the other side, Ukraine. That's mostly because most editors show more interest in writing about negative Russian things and because most sources that cover the alleged Ukrainian crimes are suppressed in Wikipedia. In such cases, I think the better solution is simply to also write about the other side, not remove the favored side. Thus, a list of other foreign nationals killed would also be important. Btw, doesn't such global list exist? If it does, then the American-only list should be merged in it and not stick out.

Regarding the alleged WP:OR, I haven't checked. If there are problems, then they should be solved, but I don't think deleting the page just because of it is ideal. I'm not following this thread, so ping me if you want a reply. Alexis Coutinho (talk) ^[ping me] 21:06, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's the exact same routine coverage of non-American foreign civilians/soldiers killed in Ukraine during the current Russo-Ukraine war.

The only similar article I could find was list of deaths during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, which includes people with Wikipedia articles, for the few that don't have one they appear to be important politicians or military officials. @Alexiscoutinho Traumnovelle (talk) 06:20, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

👍. Regarding the other list being of people with articles, I think it would be unfair to omit people without articles or military career (here). 🤔 Alexis Coutinho (talk) ^[ping me] 15:03, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would say it's to have a US specific list about a war being fought in Eastern Europe by two European countries. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:02, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, Serves an informative purpose, seems to have decent coverage Padgriffin ^{Griffin's Nest} 00:23, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per others, particularly Alexis Coutinho. Needs some improvement but shouldn't be deleted Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 01:41, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The article serves a historical purpose Salfanto (talk) 17:08, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete All Keep votes above sum up to ILIKEIT, ITSUSEFUL, and THEREMUSTBESOURCES. None give an actual policy-based reason to keep. Per nominator, there is no coverage of this topic as a group, only individual instances. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:02, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will also say that there are several other lists for other countries that should likely also be deleted unless good sources are found for those countries. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:04, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nomination. The fact this is simply a list, not an in-depth article, also hobbles this entry.TH1980 (talk) 01:42, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails NLIST, sources do not show there is WP:SIRS discussing this as a group. List contains only non-notable entries (one exception), serves no purpose per WP:CLN. Keep votes above are ILIKEIT and provide no sources showing this had been discussed as a group or guidelines showing why the should be kept. // Timothy :: talk 19:22, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:INDISCRIMINATE, WP:NLIST, and as a content fork of List of deaths during the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I agree with Liz that there is not a lot of policy-based rationale on either side here. Conyo14 (talk) 18:53, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Not WP:LISTCRUFT, has enough RS, and serves a historical purpose. Florificapis (talk) 02:37, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: This is like the lists of 9/11 victims that pop up every so often in AfD; most of these people aren't otherwise notable. Looking at the list even 10 yrs from now, most still won't be notable. NOTMEMORIAL applies. To be blunt, many people pass away in tragedies like this event and as in 9/11, most aren't notable 10 or 20 yrs later; having a list of xyz that passed away doesn't serve any purpose other than as a memorial. The only individuals looking at Brendon Bowersox as an example in 20 yrs are likely to be family members or perhaps a very small group of historians. To the broader public, he would simply be another individual that passed away, who's name you can switch with any other from the list and it wouldn't make any difference for notability. Not to belittle any of these individuals or their contributions, but not everyone that passes away in a conflict needs a wikipedia article or even to be listed in a long list of otherwise non-notable people. Oaktree b (talk) 14:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vistamar School[edit]

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advertising. All the sources self-referential, little hope of finding others, no NPOV Melchior2006 (talk) 17:39, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, non-notable school Traumnovelle (talk) 20:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - Significant write up on it here. [23] The page is indeed very poor (and tbh, it would be no great loss to just delete it). However there may be more sources, now that the school is approaching 20 years old. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I revised the article, adding sources (at least 3 meet WP:SIGCOV for WP:GNG). I also listed another ten potential sources on Talk:Vistamar School, as more evidence of notability, keeping in mind that notability attaches to the subject, regardless of the state of the article. (ProQuest sources are available by signing in first to Wikimedia, then to Wikipedia Library Platform.) Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 22:22, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for updating the article. However, there are not 3 articles that count towards GNG. There is the LA Times article I found and then you have two from the Daily Breeze. These count together - multiple articles from a single source count as one towards GNG. I think it is the Daily Breeze articles you meant to count, but just in case, I have looked at all the sources you added, and produced this analysis. I am, however, leaning keep. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep - As per my comment above, We have two sources towards GNG. I consider "multiple" to mean three or more, to allow a thorough article to be written, but on the basis of the two, and particularly because one of them is in teh LA Times, I am leaning keep. Of course, an LA school is local for the LA Times - but the quality and reach of the source makes this a good candidate for notability. I also found other mentions in ProQuest, such as PR Newswire sources [24] but note the primary news reporting nature of many of these. Nevertheless, on the basis of the sources found to date, my feeling is that more are very likely to exist. Now that the article has been expanded a little, there is also a weak WP:HEY for keeping. I would like to see it expanded further, and I would like one more good source, but I don't see deletion as being a net positive in this case. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table: prepared by User:Sirfurboy
Accredditing Commission for Schools [25]		~ Reliable but a primary source	Directory	✘ No
Vistamar School History [26]		Primary source	~ 404 on link so cannot evaluate	✘ No
LA Times [27]		The source is a major newspaper	The article focuses on the school founding as a concept	✔ Yes
Daily Breeze [28] AND Daily Breeze (second occurence - multiple articles from the same source count as one towards GNG) [29]	Local papers (see below) often publish press releases with little alteration, and as such the independence is questionable. In the first case the author is given as Shelly Leachman. [30] A communications officer since 2012, we are old She previously worked more than a decade as a journalist for news outlets across California, covering primarily education[31]. This piece has her byline, and as such it is unlikely it is just a press release. Indeed she seems to have interviewed students for this piece. In the second case the author is credited as Ian Hanigan. Researching the author, I find Ian Hanigan serves as chief communications officer for the Orange County Department of Education, overseeing the Communications and Media Services unit.[32] However he was the Daily Breeze educational journalist until 2006 by the same source. This piece is dated 2005, so it appears he write the piece himself - it has his byline and this was his beat.	Daily Breeze is a local paper with 57,000 circulation, slogan "LAX to LA harbour". This is local coverage only, but still reliable and secondary.	With local sources, the question is whether there is sufficient information to write an article in the source. This criterion is often not well considered, but these articles appear to give the basis for some article. The problem with my analysis is that I don't have Proquest institutional access to these full records and they are not available in newspapers online, so I cannot fully assess whether these are in sufficient depth to meet this criterion. However we have two articles, three years apart, and looking at different aspects, so taken together, I am giving a cautious yes here.	✔ Yes
NCS directory [33]		~ The source is reliable but this is a primary source	Directory only	✘ No
Niche [34]	I am not sure how Niche select schools for listing but will give it a pass on this as it fails on other measures	~ A directory is a type of primary source, and it is not clear how the information is collated. Some is clearly taken from the school's own materials, again primary	Directory listing, and substantial information is copied from the school and is not created by Niche.	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Comment: Sirfurboy, Thanks for providing your analysis in the above table. It's very useful, and I know it's a significant amount of work. Were you able to access the ProQuest sources, yet, that I listed on the talk page? Also, non-local sources are not required for WP:GNG, only for WP:NORG. The latter specifically exempts non-profit educational institutions like Vistamar School: The scope of this guideline covers all groups of people organized together for a purpose with the exception of non-profit educational institutions, religions or sects, and sports teams. I point this out because sometimes editors equate the term private with the term for profit, concluding erroneously that all private schools must meet NORG. Again, thanks for the care and thoroughness of your analysis. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 22:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The refs are primary, routine opening press releases etc., and databases. Even the LA Times is covering the opening and doesn't wash for GNG. Desertarun (talk) 14:09, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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weak keep: Source analysis table is a help. This isn't a strong keep, but we have just enough I think. Some PROMO concerns with the wording used, but that can easily be fixed. Oaktree b (talk) 14:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Albert Tjåland[edit]

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Articles for deletion/Albert Tjåland (2nd nomination)

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This succumbed to an AFD before, but since then it has been recreated due to "coverage in international media". It happened at a time when the player was looking to be moving up in the football hierarchy, but with all due respect to the player, the career has stagnated, which I think allows us to see the subject in a clearer light. In an encyclopedic sence, Albert Tjåland fails WP:NOTINHERITED, WP:SUSTAINED, WP:TOOSOON, WP:SIRS and as a consequence WP:SPORTCRIT.

ABT was a child whom international media took a novelty interest to.
His football career has not panned out. He plays on the fourth tier, has never played a league game for a first team, only reaching as far as appearing 6 times on Bryne's bench - as well as playing a cup game for Molde, which for WP:PEACOCK reasons is called "a professional debut". Nothing he has done remotely resembles a significant accomplishment within sport.
While there was coverage in many countries, there reports about various accomplishments in children's games lack significance, and was all the more packed with speculation and hot air. A big breakthrough is not currently looming on the horizon, and while it might of course happen one day, we have the too soon guideline for a reason.
The press coverage was exclusively motivated by him having a famous relative. Albert and Erling have similar names and likenesses, and joined the same club (Molde) as a youth player. Take the relative out of the equation, and what are you left with? Notability is not inherited from relatives. Geschichte (talk) 09:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, passes GNG with significant coverage.--Ortizesp (talk) 12:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no significant coverage, just churnalism. As I took the time to explain why I think so above, I think you should explain your view as well. Geschichte (talk) 07:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Per Ortizesp. Young player with ongoing career with pro Norwegian top flight team and many good sources already. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 07:50, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. My further thoughts are that the keep opinions are annulled by their lack of explanation and non-existing response as to the nomination statement, which detailed a failure of several policies. "significant coverage" and "many good sources" are unfounded opinions; "ongoing career with pro Norwegian top flight team" is false, Tjåland has an ongoing career with a semi-pro B team on the fourth tier. Geschichte (talk) 07:32, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interior Design Masters series 3[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG, lacks significant coverage in multiple independent secondary sources. Mostly original research. Dan arndt (talk) 06:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rajput Mughal marriage alliances[edit]

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WP:OR written to promote a POV. The topic itself is not notable that it would need a separate article.Ratnahastin (talk) 04:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. It isn't well written and could use a more analytic overview, but the large number of sources is more than enough to establish notability. Marriages were an important aspect of diplomacy in many countries, as shown in Royal intermarriage. Zero^talk 09:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are comparing a GA article with a poorly written article that mainly relies on outdated unreliable sources and fails to establish notability. Ratnahastin (talk) 10:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Poorly written" is totally irrelevant at AFD. Also only a fraction of the sources are primary and more than half do not date from the RAJ. The fact that you link "unreliable" to PRIMARY suggests that you don't understand either. This article needs a good clean-up, that's all, as the topic is obviously significant. Zero^talk 12:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep.This is a good article based on NPOV. I don't think so this article should be deleted because it has more than 53 reliable sources produced by various independent writers. It would be a significant loss if this article were deleted since it may require copyediting but not deletion, practically all sources are reputable, and the article fits the general notability criterion. The Mughal Rajput marital partnerships were a significant occurrence in Indian history during the 16th and 17th century so it should remain on free encyclopedia.2404:3100:188E:2F21:1:0:94AA:65C8 (talk)
Delete WP:SYNTH at best. I don't see any need for having an article on this subject. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 13:03, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abdullah Syafi'i[edit]

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Fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article (blogspot) and found in BEFORE do not meet WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth. // Timothy :: talk 04:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. WP:GNG is met. Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article (WP:NPOSSIBLE). Clicking on the Find sources: news and books links above shows that sustained coverage of Abdullah Syafi'i exists across many independent reliable sources. I have checked some of the non-English news sources using Google translate. Collectively they add up to significant coverage. The sustained coverage is also an indicator of notability (WP:SUSTAINED).-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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École des Navigateurs[edit]

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Does not meet WP:GNG nor WP:NORG. The first source is from the school's website, and the second is a trivial mention in a movie. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 04:10, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Being featured on a TV show isn't notable. The only coverage I can find about the school is [35] which talks about it being at risk in a natural disaster... There is coverage of a school in Quebec with a similar name, so finding sources is difficult. I don't see extensive coverage, meaning deletion. Oaktree b (talk) 14:22, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of tornadoes by calendar day[edit]

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This is a cherry-picked list with no specific criteria. The article name is highly misleading as one would expect every tornado that occurred on each day to be listed (which is impossible). Dates on this page have mention of certain tornadoes or outbreaks without any mention of multiple other tornadoes or outbreaks of equal or greater significance occurring the same dates. Since not every tornado event can be included, this article is misleading and should be deleted. United States Man (talk) 03:56, 15 May 2024 (UTC) United States Man (talk) 03:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment No reason has been specified for deletion. Noah, BSBA^Talk 03:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stand by. I gave a reason but it seems that was not carried over into the discussion for some reason. United States Man (talk) 03:53, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as WP:LISTCRUFT. I don't understand why we need to know what day of any particular year a tornado occurred. Ajf773 (talk) 09:05, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as utterly inane. Tornadoes don't have any correlation to specific calendar days (except for there being fewer on February 29). Clarityfiend (talk) 10:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agree with the rest, this list fails the criteria for a list on wikipedia in several ways, one of which is that it's arbitrary, another that it's an unmanageably large set.--Licks-rocks (talk) 12:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and others. Noah, BSBA^Talk 12:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. Also disagree that no reason was provided for deletion. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 13:06, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Abhishek0831996: Check the history. It was blank before. Noah, BSBA^Talk 13:56, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. This list does not need to exist at all. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 15:42, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It honestly feels like a sort of "fan-page", and really doesn't contribute much to the actual encyclopedia. Tornadoes don't follow a by-day pattern each year, and if say for "May 30" the 1999 F5 popped up, what about the May 30 F0? There are no criteria. MemeGod ._. (My talk page, my contributions and my creations!) 15:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rather than outright deleting it, perhaps it could be moved to the weather portal, for the weather events by day? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:20, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alan Roberts (sailor)[edit]

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BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article and found in BEFORE do not meet WP:SIRS, addressing the subject directly and indepth. The event they are primary known for does not have an article. BLPs require strong sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 02:51, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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1997 Prairie Dell-Jarrell tornado[edit]

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This tornado has an ample section at 1997 Central Texas tornado outbreak which more than covers this tornado. Having a separate article to cover the same information is a WP:CONTENTFORK. The author also recently started 2024 Sulphur tornado, which was overwhelming merged: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2024 Sulphur tornado. United States Man (talk) 02:49, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep – As a test before article creation/move into mainspace, I copied and pasted the entire section for the Jarrell tornado into my sandbox (User:WeatherWriter/sandbox), which came out to 22,500 bytes. The article, pre-AFD was 45,690 bytes. For reference, the article is twice the size of the section, meaning not a clear WP:CONTENTFORK. The article clearly passes WP:NEVENT as well as WP:LASTING, with articles like this and this decades later, specifically on the tornado. Other rational in the nominator's statement involves WP:Other Stuff Doesn't Exist and the nominator specifically brought up the article's creator, meaning they did not focus on content (article) and choose to focus on the contributor (creator). No clear reason to delete has been provided. This is also a WP:COAL for me, as I think I made my reasoning clear and I do not want to respond to questions or others in this discussion. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 02:56, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Much of the excess character number comes from the lead section and the "Case studies" section which uses unnecessarily long quotes and could be entirely condensed into one paragraph. Quantity does not equal quality. United States Man (talk) 03:03, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The lead section is perfectly acceptable in length, and I will say that the quotes can be sheared down a little bit. It still doesn’t make it a complete content fork, however. MemeGod ._. (My talk page, my contributions and my creations!) 10:58, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge? Delete? - From what I can tell looking over these articles for the first time, this article is just a regurgitation of what is provided more succulently on the 1997 Central Texas tornado outbreak page. The fatalities section in particular is almost identical word for word. If there are new details in this tornado article that were not provided on that outbreak page, they should be merged into the outbreak page. Otherwise, this appears to be an unacceptable content fork and should be deleted. In theory, I'm not against an individual page for the Jarrell tornado, but I think the main outbreak page presents the information so thoroughly that it would be inferior in every case. wxtrackercody (talk · contributions) 03:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note - It is over twice as long, and thus does not meet the criteria to be deleted under Wikipedia:Content forks. MemeGod ._. (My talk page, my contributions and my creations!) 10:38, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the note again, but the entire section has been fixed and expanded upon further. Feel free to check it out, and there shouldn't be any copyvios there anymore. MemeGod ._. (My talk page, my contributions and my creations!) 11:28, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Strong keep - the main outbreak article is what… 23,000 bytes? This article is over 2 times longer (over 43,000 bytes). Also “more than covers the tornado”? Does it go over national reactions, documentation of the event; including the famous “dead man walking” photo, case studies, and even road names? “More than covers tornado” isn’t a good reason for deletion in this case.

Also, no need to bring 2024 Sulphur tornado up in this. Even after removing the “case studies” part that you had talked about, it was still over 4,300 bytes. So that isn’t really an excuse to delete either. This includes the copyvios in the ""fatalities" section, lead length, "case studies" length, among other things. I will continue to work on rewrites as this fine Tuesday progresses.MemeGod ._. (My talk page, my contributions and my creations!) 10:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

one more note, this article has like 10 more images than the main summary, and I oulfnt work with merging, as you can’t merge “documentation” and “case studies” into it. Also, the case studies part is perfectly acceptable, and both sources are confirmed to be Public Domain. MemeGod ._. (My talk page, my contributions and my creations!) 10:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Vets (company)[edit]

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Article about a company that does not pass WP:NCORP or WP:GNG. Coverage is limited to news about product launches and market openings that are excluded from consideration as trivial under NCORP. Cannot find multiple examples of significant, secondary, independent coverage. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:49, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Salem Al Shamsi[edit]

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BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article and found in BEFORE fail WP:SIRS, nothing found addressing the subject directly and indepth meeting WP:SIGCOV. Source eval:

Comments	Source
Government About page, fails WP:SIRS	1. "UAE Embassy in Abuja-About the Ambassador". www.mofa.gov.ae. Retrieved 2023-11-13.
Mill news about official presenting credentials, fails WP:SIRS does not address subject directly and indepth for WP:SIGCOV	2. ^ Jump up to:a b "United Arab Emirates Ambassador Presents Credentials to President of Nigeria". African Business. 2023-08-25. Retrieved 2023-11-13.
Mill news, fails WP:SIRS does not address subject directly and indepth for WP:SIGCOV	3. ^ "FCT Minister, Wike receives UAE ambassador, urges swift reversal of visa ban on Nigerians". ThisNigeria. 2023-11-13. Retrieved 2023-11-13.

BLPs require strong sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 02:38, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete coverage is routine and not indepth for meeting WP:BIO. Amabassadors are not inherently notable. LibStar (talk) 04:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Badal Sesher Pakhi[edit]

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Fails GNG. Sources in article and found in BEFORE do not meet WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth. // Timothy :: talk 02:32, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No coverage found other than the announcement of the series. ABP Bengali provides some coverage, as does Etvbharat, but I'm not sure about Etv’s reliability. Both of them are just announcements of the series; no other coverage found. Grabup (talk) 05:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cerebra (charity)[edit]

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The external links that are presumably used as references are not reliable, as they are either written by the organization or people connected with it, or barely have any information on it. Most of the sources that I can find also seem to be written by the organization or people connected with it.

Overall, there don't seem to be any independent sources with significant coverage. Ships & Space_(Edits) 02:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hong Kong Chinese Christian Union Logos Academy[edit]

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Fails GNG and NORG. Sources in article and found in BEFORE are listings, name mentions, routine mill news, nothing that meets WP:SIRS, addressing the subject directly and indepth // Timothy :: talk 02:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and rename to Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Schools, which says:
All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must either satisfy the notability guidelines for organizations, the general notability guideline, or both. For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria. (See also WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES)
Sources
1. Lin, Zhong 林钟; Deng, Shaobing 邓少冰 (2014). "走进香港真道书院小学" [Visit Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy]. 七彩语文（习作） [Colourful Language (Exercises)] (in Chinese). No. 10. East China Normal University. ISSN 1673-4998. Retrieved 2024-05-15 – via CQVIP [zh].
  Colourful Language (Exercises) is a magazine published by the Chinese Education Research Center of East China Normal University. According to this description from Google Translate, "Colourful Language (Exercises) was officially launched in January 2015, with academic guidance provided by the Chinese Education Research Center of East China Normal University. The magazine is closely linked to the reform of basic education curriculum and strives to provide suitable resources and platforms for middle school Chinese teachers to meet the needs of teachers for daily teaching and improvement of professional qualities."
  The abstract notes: "本期的＂大眼睛看世界＂,小编将和大家一起走进香港一所名校——香港华人基督教联会真道书院。真道书院位于香港调景岭湾畔,学校分小学和中学部,与其他学校不同,真道书院学生没有统一的校服。小学部学生在中文课上使用的是内地出版的小学语文课本,他们觉得教材文字优美,内容包含了古今中外的文化特色,和浓厚的道德教育元素，很符合小学语文教育的需要。"
  From Google Translate: "In this issue of "Seeing the World with Big Eyes", the editor will go with you to a famous school in Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy. Union Logos Academy is located on the shores of Tiu Keng Ling Bay in Hong Kong. The school is divided into primary and secondary schools. Unlike other schools, students at Union Logos Academy do not have uniforms. Students in the primary school use primary school Chinese textbooks published in the Mainland in their Chinese classes. They feel that the textbooks are beautifully written, contain cultural characteristics of ancient and modern times, Chinese and foreign cultures, and have strong moral education elements, which are in line with the needs of primary school Chinese education. ... In the first two years of elementary school, Union Logos Academy expects students to lay a solid foundation of knowledge and learn self-care, self-study and self-reflection skills. The school focuses on constructing a school-based curriculum and uses some Chinese and art textbooks from the Mainland."
2. Lok, Irene (2015-05-11). "將軍澳一條龍直資香港華人基督教聯會真道書院中小學" [Tseung Kwan O One-stop Direct Subsidy Scheme. Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy. Primary and Secondary Schools]. Sunday Kiss (in Chinese). New Media Group [zh]. Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.
  The article notes: "2002年創校的真道年資較其他直資學校淺，被定為新派直資學校，卻是全港唯一採用「十一年一貫」課程模式的學校，分兩年基礎階段、五年拓展階段及四年通達階段，以十一年完成小學及中學課程。 ... 在小學首兩年基礎階段，真道期望學生打穩知識基礎，學好自理、自學及自省能力。學校着力建構校本課程，採用部分內地中文及美術科教材"
  From Google Translate: "Founded in 2002, Union Logos Academy has a younger school years than other DSS schools and is designated as a new DSS school. However, it is the only school in Hong Kong that adopts the "11-year consistent" curriculum model, which is divided into two years of basic stage and five years of expansion stage. and the four-year mastery stage, which takes eleven years to complete the primary and secondary school courses. ... In the first two years of elementary school, Union Logos Academy expects students to lay a solid foundation of knowledge and learn self-care, self-study and self-reflection skills. The school focuses on constructing school-based curriculum and adopts some mainland Chinese and art textbooks."
3. A, Yin 阿言 (2024-02-01). "專訪｜香港華人基督教聯會真道書院多元體驗式學習培育未來領袖" [Exclusive Interview｜Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy's diversified experiential learning cultivates future leaders] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.
  The article notes: "學校著重學生全方位發展，學生從小學便培育體、美特質，提供多項興趣班予學生選擇，如跳繩、跆拳道、琵琶及烏克麗麗等。另外，為培養學生閱讀習慣，自小學階段設有閱讀時間，同學在操場集合一同閱讀，從小學階段養成自己探索知識的習慣。中學則設有 DEAR Time（Drop Everything And Read），讓學生暫時放下功課及其他事務，專心閱讀。學校更會舉辦不同活動，如閱讀馬拉松、圖書日、書展等讓同學接觸不同類型的書籍，鼓勵學生閱讀。"
  From Google Translate: "The school focuses on the all-round development of students. Students develop physical and aesthetic qualities from elementary school, and provides students with a variety of interest classes to choose from, such as rope skipping, taekwondo, pipa and ukulele. In addition, in order to cultivate students' reading habits, reading time is set up from the primary school level. Students gather in the playground to read together, and develop the habit of exploring knowledge by themselves from the primary school level. Middle schools have DEAR Time (Drop Everything And Read), which allows students to temporarily put aside their homework and other matters and concentrate on reading. The school also organizes different activities, such as reading marathons, book days, book fairs, etc., to expose students to different types of books and encourage students to read."
4. Wong, Ming-fong 王明芳 (2021-06-02). "【直資中學】一條龍11年完成小學中學課程　真道書院雙軌制曾出產IB狀元" [[Direct Subsidy Scheme Secondary School] One-stop primary school and middle school courses completed in 11 years. Union Logos Academy’s dual-track system has produced IB top scorers]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.
  The article notes: "位於將軍澳的香港華人基督教聯會真道書院屬中小學直資一條龍學校，也是全港唯一以11年完成小學及中學課程的學校。真道書院既提供中學文憑試課程（DSE），同時開辦國際文憑課程（IB），學生在公開試成績優異，過去亦曾誕生IB狀元。"
  From Google Translate: "The Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy in Tseung Kwan O is a one-stop school under direct subsidy for primary and secondary schools. It is also the only school in Hong Kong that completes primary and secondary school courses in 11 years. Union Logos Academy not only provides the Diploma of Secondary Education Examination (DSE) course, but also offers the International Baccalaureate Diploma (IB) course. Students have achieved excellent results in public examinations, and IB top scorers have also been born in the past."
5. Wong, Ming-fong 王明芳 (2023-10-10). "直私面試丨直資真道書院2023年小一面試題目老師話+傳豆袋考小朋友反應" [Direct Private Interview丨Direct Subscription Union Logos Academy Primary One Interview Questions 2023 Teacher’s Words + Bean Bag Test Children's Responses]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.
  The article notes: "位於將軍澳區直資學校的香港華人基督教聯會真道書院，即提供本地文憑試（DSE）課程，同時開辦國際文憑（IB）課程，多年來深受家長歡迎。真道書院小一面試有兩輪，第一輪是小朋友自行面試，若成功通過會進入第二輪面試，家長也會獲邀出席，TOPick邀請了為女兒報考7間直私小學的港媽梁太，拆解真道書院小一面試第一階段考核的内容。"
  From Google Translate: "The Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy, located in the direct subsidy school in Tseung Kwan O District, provides local Diploma Examination (DSE) courses and also offers International Baccalaureate (IB) courses. It has been popular among parents for many years. There are two rounds of primary one interviews at Union Logos Academy. The first round is for children to interview on their own. If they successfully pass, they will enter the second round of interviews. Parents will also be invited to attend. TOPick invited Mrs. Leung, a mother from Hong Kong who applied for her daughter to seven direct private primary schools to dismante the contents of the first stage of the primary school interview at Union Logos Academy."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy (traditional Chinese: 香港華人基督教聯會真道書院; simplified Chinese: 香港华人基督教联会真道书院)) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 09:38, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article should be renamed to Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy (add the word "Churches" after "Christian" and before "Union") to match the name on the website. Cunard (talk) 09:38, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reply, promo, interviews, all obviously based on the same info/source, nothing above show WP:SIRS or notability, they just show marketing at work. Nothing wrong with promotion, but it doesn't equal notability. // Timothy :: talk 12:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College[edit]

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Fails GNG and NORG. Sources in article and found in BEFORE are listings, primary, name mentions, routine mill news, nothing that meets WP:SIRS, addressing the subject directly and indepth // Timothy :: talk 02:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Schools, which says:
All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must either satisfy the notability guidelines for organizations, the general notability guideline, or both. For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria. (See also WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES)
Sources
1. Lam, Yim-hung 林艷虹 (2022-11-24). "優才（楊殷有娣）書院特色課程培育多元人才" [G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College's special courses cultivate diverse talents]. Hong Kong Economic Journal (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.
  The article notes: "優才（楊殷有娣）書院（下稱優才）為直資一條龍學校，小學初小部（小一至小三）位於旺角校舍，高小部（小四至小六）及中學部（中一至中六）則設於將軍澳校舍。 ... 值得一提的是，優才以推動資優教育見稱，校名英文縮寫G.T.，G代表Gifted，即與生俱來的天賦；T是Talent，表示每一個小朋友都有獨特才華，因此提供多元特色課程來培育孩子。"
  From Google Translate: "G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College (hereinafter referred to as G.T.) is a one-stop school under the Direct Subsidy Scheme. The lower primary section (Primary 1 to Primary 3) is located in the Mong Kok campus, the upper primary section (Primary 4 to Primary 6) and the secondary section (Secondary 1 to 6 ) is located at the Tseung Kwan O campus. ... It is worth mentioning that Youcai is well-known for promoting gifted education. The English abbreviation of the school name is G.T., G stands for Gifted, which is innate talent; T stands for Talent, which means that every child has unique talents, so it provides diverse Special courses to nurture children."
2. Hui, Lok-hang 許珞珩; Cheung, Wai-ting 張瑋婷 (2022-10-24). "升小備戰｜直資優才(楊殷有娣)書院小學部　5層架構推動資優教育" [Preparing for primary school entrance｜Directly gifted G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College 5-tier structure promotes gifted education] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.
  The article notes: "優才（楊殷有娣）書院小學部共有兩個校舍，小一至小三的初小部校舍位於旺角洗衣街，高小與中學部則共用將軍澳調景嶺嶺光街校舍。學校由天才教育協會會長李業富教授於1996年創辦，多年來均實行小班教學及分組學習形式，老師會按學生的能力及長處分成小組，每班6組、每組約4人，不同科目也採用此形式上課。"
  From Google Translate: "The primary school of G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College has two school buildings. The junior school building for primary one to primary three is located on Sai Yee Street, Mong Kok. The upper primary school and the secondary school share the Ling Kwong Street school building, Tiu Keng Leng, Tseung Kwan O. The school was founded in 1996 by Professor Li Yipfu, President of the Gifted Education Association. For many years, it has implemented small class teaching and group learning. Teachers will divide students into groups according to their abilities and strengths. Each class has 6 groups with about 4 people in each group. Different subjects are also included in the school. Take this class."
3. Hui, Melody (2023-05-09). "優才小學5.13開始報名校長分享3大面試貼士小朋友有一個特質最重要" [G.T. Primary School starts registration on May 13. The principal shares 3 interview tips. There is one trait that is most important for children.]. Sunday Kiss (in Chinese). New Media Group [zh]. Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.
  The article notes: "直資一條龍小學優才（楊殷有娣）書院小學部每年吸引超過3,000人報讀小一，學校推行獨特的教學模式，及深受家長喜歡小班教學，以每級5班、每班不超過26人，每年提供約130個小一學位，平均27人爭1學位，競爭非常激烈。本周六（13日）為2024／25年度小一報名日期，陳偉傑校長回覆記者查詢時，分享學校的教學特式、面試貼士及模式。優才最吸引家長的其中一個原因是一條龍學校，逾九成學生直升中一，而中學部同時開辦中學文憑試（DSE）及國際預科文憑（IB）雙軌課程，小學學生在無需面對升中選校的壓力下，可充分享受校園學習生活。"
  From Google Translate: "The primary section of the DSS one-stop primary school Youcai (Yang Yin Youdi) College attracts more than 3,000 students to apply for primary one every year. The school implements a unique teaching model and is well received by parents for its small class teaching. There are 5 classes per level and no more than 26 students per class. There are about 130 primary one places available every year, and an average of 27 people compete for one place. The competition is very fierce. This Saturday (13th) is the registration date for Primary One students in 2024/25. When responding to reporters’ inquiries, Principal Chen Weijie shared the school’s teaching style, interview tips and models. One of the reasons why Youcai is most attractive to parents is that it is a one-stop school, with more than 90% of students going directly to Form 1. The secondary school also offers dual-track courses of Diploma of Secondary Education (DSE) and International Baccalaureate Diploma (IB), so primary school students do not have to face Under the pressure of choosing a school for high school, you can fully enjoy campus study life."
4. Chan, Yik-chiu 陳奕釗. "香港學校｜優才(楊殷有娣)書院壓縮正統課程特色教學培育優秀學生" [Hong Kong School｜G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College compresses the orthodox curriculum and cultivates outstanding students with unique teaching]. am730 (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.
  The article notes: "優才(楊殷有娣)書院特別注重兩文三語、語文能力及溝通技巧。學校不單實行普教中，更讓學生學習法文、韓文、日文、意大利文及西班牙文等第三語言。... 成績方面，學校前年出了3位IB狀元，在全球3,500所IB高中學校中名列第11，香港則排名第3。2023年該校學生IB成績亦不俗：有一個45分狀元、兩個44分榜眼。而本屆69位畢業生中，該校有86%同學在Jupas獲得好成績，能入讀心儀大學及課程，"
  From Google Translate: "G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College pays special attention to biliteracy, trilingualism, language proficiency and communication skills. The school not only provides general education, but also allows students to learn third languages such as French, Korean, Japanese, Italian and Spanish. ... In terms of results, the school produced three IB top scorers the year before last, ranking 11th among 3,500 IB high schools in the world, and Hong Kong ranked third. The IB results of the school's students in 2023 are also good: there is one top scorer with a score of 45, two top scorers Second place with 44 points. Among the 69 graduates this year, 86% of the school’s students obtained good results in Jupas and were able to enter the university and course of their choice."
5. "Direct Subsidy Scheme Schools". South China Morning Post. 2009-06-13. Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.
  The article notes: "Founded in 1997 as a private school and turned DSS in 2002. Merged with Chi Kit School in 2004. Multiple intelligence approach emphasising creativity, self-esteem and social responsibility. Class size: Primary 24; Secondary 24-26. School-based and activity-based curriculum. Over 50 talent classes, run by part-time tutors in small groups, offered twice a week as part of the curriculum. Regular visits to museums and other places of interest. Enhancement for gifted children. Secondary curriculum will lead to HKCEE, HKALE, and other public benchmark tests, IB Diploma may be offered in 2009. Medium of instruction: Primary: Cantonese, with English taught by native speakers. Secondary: English, except Chinese and Chinese history."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College (traditional Chinese: 優才（楊殷有娣）書院; simplified Chinese: 优才（杨殷有娣）书院)) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 08:30, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reply, promo, interviews, all obviously based on the same info/source, nothing above show WP:SIRS or notability, they just show marketing at work. Nothing wrong with promotion, but it doesn't equal notability. // Timothy :: talk 12:29, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unique Kings Obi[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG or any related SNG. Sources are either passing mention, primary or not independent of the subject. The only sources that give SIGCOV are obviously promotional paid puffs and connected to the subject. The Vanguard piece [36], and the Independent pieces [37], [38] are examples. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 02:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Subject is a notable figure in Nigeria and has enough sources to prove this. The passing mentions for were added to as an evidence to a sentence. The references about the African Creators Summit were also added to evidence the information that he is the founder of the summit Mevoelo (talk)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:10, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carmel Divine Grace Foundation Secondary School[edit]

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Fails GNG and NORG. Sources in article and found in BEFORE are listings, name mentions, routine mill news, nothing that meets WP:SIRS, addressing the subject directly and indepth // Timothy :: talk 02:08, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Schools, which says:
All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must either satisfy the notability guidelines for organizations, the general notability guideline, or both. For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria. (See also WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES)
Sources
1. Chan, Margaret (1993-10-18). "Making studies enjoyable". South China Morning Post. Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.
  The article notes: "Carmel Divine Grace Foundation Secondary School, Po Lam Estate, Tseung Kwan O. ... This year, the school implemented an orientation programme for its 11 new teaching staff. The programme introduces the new teachers to the aims of the school; explains teaching procedures; and allows them to share their opinions and experiences after a few weeks in the new job. ... This year, the school has also introduced a new Form 1 subject called Computer Literacy. ... Since the school was founded in 1987, the quality of students has improved greatly. It accepted mostly Band 4 students in 1987, but now most students are in Band 1. ... The Christian school was founded in 1987. It is not affiliated to any particular church. ... Students are taught in Chinese and English, both sharing equal prominence. ... The school has 26 classrooms and laboratories for Integrated Science, Chemistry, Physics and Biology."
2. Ruby (2022-07-26). "西貢區中學Band1學校集結｜演藝界新星準備發光發亮" [Sai Kung District Secondary School Band 1 schools gather｜Rising stars in the entertainment industry are ready to shine]. Sunday Kiss (in Chinese). New Media Group [zh]. Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.
  The article notes: "迦密主恩中學迦密主恩中學是西貢區將軍澳新市鎮內第一個中學校舍，亦是第一間資助英文中學。所以它在早期已經是區內的知名band 1 英中，是區內採用英語授課歷史最悠久的學校！實力一定不會差。交流計劃及海外遊學團是他們基本的活動，固此他們的學生很早已經接觸外國文化，英文水平更是優秀。與其他區的名校一樣，迦密主恩中學一樣著重STEM教育（科學、技術、工程及數學），學校就有STEM課程包括生物科技及3D打印技術，更有VR虛擬實景供同學發揮創意，說不定香港的將來科學家就是出自迦密主恩中學！"
  From Google Translate: "Carmel Divine Grace Foundation Secondary Schooll is the first secondary school building in the new town of Tseung Kwan O, Sai Kung District, and the first aided English secondary school. Therefore, it was already a well-known band 1 English-Chinese school in the district in the early days, and it is the school with the longest history of teaching in English in the district! The strength will definitely not be bad. Exchange programs and overseas study tours are their basic activities. Therefore, their students have been exposed to foreign cultures very early, and their English proficiency is even better. Like other prestigious schools in the district, Carmel Lord's Grace Middle School also focuses on STEM education (science, technology, engineering and mathematics). The school has STEM courses including biotechnology and 3D printing technology, and also has VR virtual reality for students to express their creativity. Maybe Hong Kong’s future scientists will come from Carmel Lord’s Grace School!"
3. "西貢將軍澳13校縮班" [Sai Kung Tseung Kwan O School 13 reduces classes]. Apple Daily (in Chinese). 2011-01-29. p. A13.
  The article notes: "繼北區中學自願縮班紓緩殺校壓力後，另一個「重災區」西貢及將軍澳區，13間中學昨日亦達成協議，各自縮減一班，包括名英中學迦密主恩中學"
  From Google Translate: "After the North District middle schools voluntarily reduced their classes to relieve the pressure of school killings, 13 middle schools in Sai Kung and Tseung Kwan O districts, another "hardest-hit area", also reached an agreement yesterday to reduce the number of classes by one class each, including the main school of Carmel Divine Grace Foundation Secondary School."
  The article notes: "迦密主恩中學創校24年，校舍建於八十年代，校長林瑞美指校舍只有25個課室，98年該校成為區內唯一英中，最高峯時多達31班，課室長期不敷應用，於是在頂樓加建一層，但新建樓層每逢雨天經常漏水，要用膠袋和喉管勉強支撐，曾試過有膠袋變成“水彈”墮下，影響正在考試的學生。去年起該校為應付新高中學制，更要藉用旁邊小學課室上課。"
  From Google Translate: "Carmel Lord's Grace Secondary School was founded 24 years ago. The school building was built in the 1980s. Principal Lin Ruimei pointed out that the school building only has 25 classrooms. In 1998, the school became the only English-medium school in the district. At its peak, there were 31 classes. The classrooms were not fully utilized for a long time, so an additional floor was built on the top floor, but the newly built floor often leaked on rainy days, and had to be barely supported by plastic bags and pipes. In one case, a plastic bag turned into a "water bomb" and fell, affecting students who were taking exams. Since last year, in order to cope with the new high school academic structure, the school has to borrow classrooms from the neighboring primary school for classes."
4. Yun, Nga-ting 袁雅婷 (2023-02-01). "香港學校｜迦密主恩中學全人優質基督教教育培養品學兼優生" [Hong Kong School｜Carmel Lord's Grace Secondary School, holistic high-quality Christian education, cultivating students with excellent moral character and academic performance]. am730 (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.
  The article notes: "學校亦著重STEM的發展。他說，學校運用三層架構發展同學相關的興趣及能力，第一層是全校參與模式，所有同學在初中到高中階段，課程都加入STEM元素。學生一般到大學才有機會接觸生物科技，但該校已設有生物科技實驗室，讓同學在中二開始對該科目有所理解，例如有關培植細菌、找出較強殺菌清潔劑的實驗等。高中就有各項STEM活動，例如STEM Day，所有學生都會參與其中。"
  From Google Translate: "The school also focuses on the development of STEM. He said that the school uses a three-tier structure to develop students' relevant interests and abilities. The first level is a whole-school participation model. All students from junior high school to senior high school have STEM elements added to the curriculum. Students generally have the opportunity to come into contact with biotechnology only when they go to university, but the school already has a biotechnology laboratory, allowing students to begin to understand the subject in Secondary 2, such as experiments on cultivating bacteria and finding stronger antiseptic cleaners. There are various STEM activities in high schools, such as STEM Day, in which all students participate."
5. "將軍澳迦密主恩中學擧行三屆畢業禮，温漢璋勉勵必須有信心以將軍澳為家鄉發光芒" [Tseung Kwan O's Carmel Divine Grace Foundation Secondary School held its third graduation ceremony. Wan Hon-cheung encouraged the audience to have the confidence to shine in Tseung Kwan O as their hometown.]. Wah Kiu Yat Po (in Chinese). 1991-06-15. p. 6. Retrieved 2024-05-15 – via Hong Kong Public Libraries.
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Carmel Divine Grace Foundation Secondary School to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 07:08, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of TVB series (1977)[edit]

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Fails NLIST. Found no sources showing this subject (1977 TVB series) has been discussed as a group by independent reliable sources. // Timothy :: talk 01:09, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I think the list can be kept for a navigational purpose, but at the current state it's way too short. Seeing the 1978 & 1979 lists aren't that long, is there a possibility of merging the three lists together to form something like List of TVB series (1970s)? S5A-0043^Talk 05:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- I agree with keeping this list for navigational purposes. I've explained below why this list meets Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists#Purposes of lists. According to the Chinese Wikipedia article zh:無綫電視劇集列表 (1970年代)#1977年, there were 24 TVB series in 1977. This page can be expanded to be as detailed as List of TVB dramas in 2023. The Chinese Wikipedia article is sourced to the TVB web page "1975-1979 (115)", which is now a dead link. Further expanding this list may require access to offline sources. Combining the smaller lists is a possible editorial option for now though once expanded to have all 24 1977 TVB dramas, there should be enough content to support a standalone 1977 list article. Cunard (talk) 09:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  "I agree with keeping this list for navigational purposes." shows this is Keep rationale is flat out nonsense. It clearly does not have a navigation purpose. // Timothy :: talk 17:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability#Stand-alone lists, which says, "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list." I will show below that "TVB series" has been treated as "a group or set by independent reliable sources".

Summary of sources
TVB series have been covered in several academic sources and numerous media sources. The academic sources discuss the shows in the context of TVB's history. The media sources discuss the shows in the context of the highest rated, the lowest rated, the "most classic", and the "best".

Sources
1. Cheuk, Pak-Tong (Fall 1999). "The Beginning of the Hong Kong New Wave: The Interactive Relationship Between Television and the Film Industry". Post Script. Vol. 19, no. 1. pp. 10–27. ISSN 0277-9897. ProQuest 2141429.
  The article notes: "In the early years, HK-TVB's Jade channel (the Chinese language service) broadcast only three locally-produced programs. Much of the remaining airtime was filled by foreign series, such as Doctor Kildare, I Spy, The Lucy Show, and Bonanza (Hong Kong Television Weekly 17-18). The station also showed early Mandarin and Cantonese pictures, such as The Revenge, Truth and False Husband (Chao-zhou-dialect pictures), Cool Chau Mei, andWonderful Princess (Hong Kong Television Weekly 14). In this, HK-TVB's initial programming strategy was no different from that of Rediffusion Cable. In 1968, however, HK-TVB produced its first drama series, A Dream Is a Dream, shown in 15-minute segments once every week."
  The article notes: "Gradually, more locally produced series gained popularity. Here is the list of the HK-TVB's top ten programs in November 1970: (1) Enjoy Yourself Tonight; (2) It Takes a Thief; (3) Tarzan; (4) Kao's Club; (5) Japanese Story; (6) Sharp's Club; (7) Night of Sharp; (8) Viceroy's On Life; (9) News and Weather Report; (10) The Fugitive. Of this list, half were imports (numbers 2, 3, 5, 7, and 10). On the other hand, the list also shows that locally produced series increasingly were favored by local audiences."
  The article notes: "In 1973, HK-TVB's new head of programming, Leong Suk-yi, produced the comedy series Seventy-Three, made up of 30-minute episodes shown once every week (30 episodes in all). Audiences welcomed the series for its refreshing satirical approach to social problems. It even garnered more viewers than Enjoy Yourself Tonight and became the territory's top rated program. The breakthrough achieved by Seventy-Three paved the way for series like Crossroad and CID (both 1976), Wonderfun (1977) and Seven Women; all were dramatic anthology series shot on film."
  The article notes: "In July 1978, the prime time program schedules of HK-TVB and CTV were as follows:"
  The article notes: "The dramatic mini-series that became most popular was HK-TVB's 1976 production Hotel. ... HK-TVB followed this success with the 1977 production A House is Not a Home."
2. Siu, Chiu Shun Patrick (2022-11-11). The rise and fall of popular variety programs – A Hong Kong Case Study (PDF) (PhD thesis). Hong Kong Baptist University. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The thesis notes: "Background information of the selected five cases". The thesis discusses five TVB shows: "Program for Case Study 1 - Enjoy Yourself Tonight", "Program for Case Study 2 - Cantopop at 50", "Program for Case Study 3 - Movie Buff Championship", "Program for Case Study 4 - Am I Healthy?", and "Program for Case Study 5 - Be My Guest".
3. Chu, Yiu-Wai (2020-06-05). "Hong Kong (in China) studies: Hong Kong popular culture as example". Global Media and China. 5 (2). doi:10.1177/2059436420917564.
  The article notes: "For example, Kok-Leung Kuk, one of the executive directors of TVB martial arts classics including The Legend of the Condor Heroes《射鵰英雄傳》(1983), The Return of the Condor Heroes《神鵰俠侶》(1983) and The Duke of Mount Deer《鹿鼎記》(1984), co-directed a Mainland version"
  The article notes: "TVB started collaborating with Youku in 2013, airing its dramas on China’s leading online video and streaming service platforms. One such drama, Line Walker 《使徒行者》, recorded a total of 2.4 billion views in 2014. These drama serials provided higher production budgets to TVB, supposedly raising the production quality. Legal Mavericks 《踩過界》 (or 《盲俠大律師》 in the Mainland), the first co-produced title with iQiyi that premiered in June 2017, successfully accumulated total streaming views of over 500 million in Mainland China. Another co-production, Line Walker: The Prelude 《使徒行者2》, a crime-thriller drama serial, also reached remarkable total streaming views of over 2 billion on Tencent’s platform in Mainland China."
  The article notes: "Whether history will repeat itself or not is too early to tell, but, for example, in 2018, three of the five TVB serial dramas that recorded the lowest viewership ratings were co-productions: Another Era 《再創世紀》, Infernal Affairs 《無間道》, and The Great Adventurer Wesley 《冒險王衛斯理》 (“The Five TVB Dramas With Lowest Viewership Ratings,” 2019)."
4. Wong, Yan-wah 黃欣華 (2019-01-11). "TVB「2018最低收視五部劇集」出爐　高成本劇集收視未必似如期" [TVB's "Five Lowest-Rated Drama Series of 2018" is released. The ratings of high-cost dramas may not be as expected] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article lists the TVB series The Great Adventurer Wesley, Succession War, Infernal Affairs, Another Era, and Stealing Seconds.
5. Lo, Alex (2011-01-28). "A golden age when TVB dictated popular culture". South China Morning Post. Archived from the original on 2021-04-28. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article notes: "Just as that period of time is considered the golden age of Hong Kong when its economy took off, it was arguably the best time for quality programmes at TVB. Dragon, Tiger and Leopard was an innovative crime drama series ... Another drama series, The Northern Stars, for a time, made being a social worker almost hip. Then came Gan Kwok-leung, arguably the best scriptwriter TVB ever had. He penned The Wrong Couples and No Biz Like Showbiz which restored the art of the dramatic dialogue that is hard to imagine for a TVB programme today."
6. Koh, Jiamun (2022-05-25). "The 10 TVB Shows With The Highest Ratings In The Past 12 Years". 8 Days. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article lists Forensic Heroes S4, Can't Buy Me Love, Triumph In The Skies 2, No Regrets, Forensic Heroes S3, Airport Strikers, Inbound Troubles, The Mysteries of Love, Story of Yanxi Palace, and Witness Insecurity.
7. Wong, Chi-hang 黃梓恒 (2023-09-01). "TVB今年13套劇集收視排行榜　第一位拋離成條街注定成大贏家？" [TVB's 13 TV drama ratings rankings this year: No. 1 is destined to be the big winner?] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses 13 TVB series.
8. Lam, Seon-ging 林迅景 (2023-01-02). "盤點2022年15套TVB深宵劇　三代歌影視男神全部都搵到！" [Taking stock of 15 TVB late-night dramas in 2022, all three generations of singing, film and television male stars are available!] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses 15 TVB series.
9. Wong, Chi-hang 黃梓恒 (2022-01-21). "青春不要臉｜80年代最經典十部TVB劇集　絕對係香港輝煌的一頁" [Freedom Memories｜The ten most classic TVB dramas of the 1980s, definitely a glorious page in Hong Kong] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses 10 TVB series.
10. Wong, Chi-hang 黃梓恒 (2022-05-23). "TVB近年劇集最高收視十大排行榜　佘詩曼絕對係收視福星" [Top 10 TVB drama series with the highest ratings in recent years Charmaine Sheh is definitely a lucky star in the ratings] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses 10 TVB series.
11. Wong, Chi-hang 黃梓恒 (2022-05-20). "TVB歷史最低收視十套劇集排行榜　今年未完但已經有四套入圍" [Ranking of the top ten TVB dramas with the lowest ratings in TVB history. This year has not been completed but four dramas have already been shortlisted.] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses 10 TVB series.
12. Lam, Seon-ging 林迅景 (2022-03-26). "網民票選TVB十大冷門劇　蒼海遺珠勁多一線演員精彩過新劇" [Netizens voted TVB's top ten unpopular dramas. The Pearl of the Blue Sea has many A-list actors and actresses in the new drama.] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses 10 TVB series.
13. Wong, Chi-hang 黃梓恒 (2021-05-21). "娛樂即時娛樂重溫20年前TVB劇集如何鼎盛　有六部劇集收視衝過40點！" [Entertainment Instant Entertainment revisits the heyday of TVB dramas 20 years ago. Six dramas have ratings exceeding 40 points!] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses several TVB series.
14. Wong, Chi-hang 黃梓恒 (2022-11-10). "網民嚴選今年TVB最好睇十套劇集《美麗戰場》愈鬧愈鍾意？" [Netizens carefully selected the ten best TVB dramas to watch this year. The more popular "The Beauty of War" is, the more you like it?] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses 10 TVB series.
15. Wong, Chi-hang 黃梓恒 (2017-10-29). "【台慶50周年】回顧TVB紮根香港50年　細數十大最出色「神劇」" [[Station's 50th Anniversary] Looking back at TVB's 50 years of roots in Hong Kong and breaking down the top ten most outstanding "divine dramas"] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses 10 TVB series.
16. Wong, Chi-hang 黃梓恒 (2020-10-05). "TVB近十年最高收視10套劇集　最高一套基本上唔會再打破" [TVB's 10 highest-rated drama series in the past ten years, the highest-rated series will basically never break again] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses 10 TVB series.
17. "【TVB古裝劇】網民嚴選30大TVB古裝劇　《金枝慾孽》+《大冬瓜》同上榜" [[TVB Costume Drama] Netizens carefully selected the top 30 TVB costume dramas. "War and Beauty" + "The Winter Melon Tale" are also on the list.]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). 2022-05-10. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses 30 TVB series.
18. "TVB經典影劇深夜接力重播　觀眾投票選最想睇經典劇集" [TVB late-night relay reruns of classic movies and dramas, viewers vote for the classic dramas they most want to watch]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). 2022-10-14. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses several TVB series.
19. "【萬千星2020】盤點TVB於2020年五大最高收視劇集　《法證IV》奪冠《使徒3》未入五大" [[TVB Anniversary Awards 2020] Taking stock of TVB's top five most-watched dramas in 2020. "Forensic Heroes IV" won the championship and "Line Walker: Bull Fight" did not enter the top five.]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). 2021-01-01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses five TVB series.
20. Lo, Chi-wang 羅志宏 (2023-12-29). "細數2023年TVB劇集最高平均收視排行榜！僅得呢三部重頭劇 ..." [Break down the ranking of the highest average ratings of TVB dramas in 2023! Only three major dramas scored more than 20 points]. U Lifestyle [zh] (in Chinese). Hong Kong Economic Times. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses eight TVB series.
WP:NOTTVGUIDE

WP:NOTTVGUIDE says:
Electronic program guides. An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc., although mention of major events, promotions or historically significant program lists and schedules may be acceptable."
These articles do not contain "upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks". They contain "historically significant program lists and schedules" as shown through the coverage in academic and media sources.

"Simple listings"

WP:NOTDIRECTORY says:
Simple listings without contextual information showing encyclopedic merit. Listings such as the white or yellow pages should not be replicated. See WP:LISTCRITERIA for more information.
WP:LISTCRITERIA says: "Selection criteria (also known as inclusion criteria or membership criteria) should be unambiguous, objective, and supported by reliable sources."
The membership criteria of these lists is "unambiguous" and "objective" as membership is based on which TVB dramas were broadcast. The membership criteria is "supported by reliable sources" because TVB series have been discussed in academic and media sources.
WP:LISTCRITERIA further says, "As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a directory, repository of links, or means of promotion, and should not contain indiscriminate lists, only certain types of lists should be exhaustive. Criteria for inclusion should factor in encyclopedic and topical relevance, not just verifiable existence."
A topic that has been covered by academic and media sources meets the "encyclopedic and topical relevance" requirement.

The list fulfills informational and navigation purposes.

Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists#Notability, which says: Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability.
1. It meets Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists#Information, which says, The list may be a valuable information source. This is particularly the case for a structured list. Examples would include lists organized chronologically, grouped by theme, or annotated lists.
  This structured list is a chronological ordering of all the TVB dramas that have been released in 1977. It is an annotated list that has the drama's airing dates, title, number of episodes, main cast, theme song(s), genre, and notes.
2. It meets Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists#Navigation, which says, Lists which contain internally linked terms (i.e., wikilinks) serve, in aggregate, as natural tables of contents and indexes of Wikipedia. This is an index of all the TVB dramas that have been released in 1977.
  TVB produces Cantonese-language dramas. Most English Wikipedia editors do not speak Cantonese. This is why Category:TVB dramas has only 578 articles on television series, while the Chinese Wikipedia's version of the category, zh:Category:無綫電視劇集, has 3,049 articles. Wikipedia:Systemic bias discusses this, noting that As a result of systemic bias, Wikipedia underrepresents the perspectives of people in the Global South, which includes Hong Kong. Although these articles do not exist on the English Wikipedia, they exist on the Chinese Wikipedia. Taking the 2023 list as an example (zh:翡翠台電視劇集列表 (2023年)), there are detailed, well-sourced articles on 2023 TVB dramas such as zh:新四十二章 and zh:新聞女王. There are not corresponding English Wikipedia articles because there are not enough English Wikipedia editors with the interest and Chinese-language skills to create them.
Multi-page list articles

Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists#Titles links to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (lists)#Long (split) list naming recommendations, which discusses the conventions for "splitting a long list into multiple sub-articles". The long list here is "List of TVB series", while the sub-articles are "List of TVB dramas in 2022", "List of TVB dramas in 2023", etc.
The guideline gives the example, "For example, TV show season lists are named in the form "Show title (season 1)", although the present guideline would have preferred "Show title: season 1" (the use of colons in the titles of works to indicate a subtitle, as in Star Trek: The Next Generation, is a likely reason for this variance)."
The split by year is similar here. The split by year is a valid spinout to ensure the main list does not get too long. There is no need for the split child lists to individually meet Wikipedia:Notability#Stand-alone lists since the long parent list meets the notability guideline.

General notability guideline

There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow the subject to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 09:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: List of TVB series (1977) was previously nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of television programmes broadcast by TVB (2nd nomination) in January 2024.
Pinging Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of television programmes broadcast by TVB (2nd nomination) participants who have not already participated in this AfD: Toughpigs (talk · contribs) and Cool90630 (talk · contribs). Cunard (talk) 09:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
CommentThis is about 1977, none of the above shows this meets NLIST. Spamming general refs will not meet NLIST, it just shows ILIKEIT. // Timothy :: talk

KeepI vote no on this page of nomination with article of deletion and here is the link about TVB Series 1977 of mytvsuper: https://www.mytvsuper.com/en/programme/greatvendettathe0002_128332/THE-GREAT-VENDETTA/ https://www.mytvsuper.com/en/programme/ahouseisnotahome_103303/A-House-Is-Not-A-Home/. Basically, don't know why the certain person of Timothy are trying to report nomination as no reason https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_TVB_series_(1977)&diff=prev&oldid=1222806959 who claims that "Fails NLIST! Found no sources showing this subject (1977 TVB series) has been discussed as a group by independent reliable sources." If I were TimothyBlue, I wouldn't satisfied and including not participated with nomination in this AFD for report to touch. Without report nomination for this AfD and that shouldn't happen in first place. I totally agree with Cunard to keep on active at all time that's because it was very important about TVB history. Cool90630 (talk).
Note to closer: The above is nonsense. This is a list with one non-notable entry and no sources for NLIST. The above refs are just spam, none of them discuss the subject - 1977 - as a group, and how that the BEFORE for this list was correct. // Timothy :: talk 16:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I restored the list entry of The Great Vendetta [zh] and added sources. The list now has two entries. I wrote above that the list can be expanded to 24 entries since there were 24 TVB dramas in 1977. I wrote above that a child list split by year from a long parent list does not need to itself meet the notability guideline when the parent list meets the notability guideline. Cunard (talk) 09:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I totally agree with more source about TVB Series 1977 article of the above is make more sense. "The above is nonsense shows this is keep rationale is flat out nonsense. It clearly does not have a navigation purpose" so it seems off-topic here that's how TB user didn't seem understand what the TVB Drama 1977 is about so then trying to report nomination with article of deletion. If TB did not satisfied without approved as fails NLIST policy found no sources showing this subject (1977 TVB series) has been discussed as a group by specific independent reliable sources then TB should have put the article of creation or ask Cunard talk page instead so that's way to understand for adding more reference sources on the TVB Series articles. I am not trying to inconsiderate here by the way. Cool90630 (talk) 02:02, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CommentI think that the TVB series 1977 should kept as history and search TVBanywhere, Drama name episode by TVB or mytvsuper online details. (talk) 02:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, while of course, policy-based arguments are important, I'd like to see an assessment of new sources brought to this discussion. Additionally, I'll add that I don't see much support here or in the previous AFD for deletion. But keep any further comments focused on sources and policy and not on contributors or general statements about the subject matter. This is an AFD, not an article or user talk page.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:03, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chandrikayilaliyunna Chandrakantham[edit]

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Fails GNG. Sources in article and found in BEFORE are routine mill news, listings, annoucements, promo, nothing that meets WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth. // Timothy :: talk 01:39, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Asianet News Malayalam is somewhat associated or connected with the subject as the series is airing on Asianet but doesn't provide in-depth coverage. Times of India contributes zero to establishing notability. Other sources, such as Indian Express Malayalam, don’t provide much coverage of the subject, and lastly, Mediainfoline and KeralaTv seem unreliable to me. No critical reviews found. Fails WP:GNG and WP:FILM. Grabup (talk) 05:25, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per nom. Fails WP:NTV. Serial is not played for broader regional or national audience and airs in only one local media market that does not make it notable. RangersRus (talk) 13:42, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Parkmore Shopping Centre[edit]

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I don't believe this meets WP:ORG. Google news comes up with routine news like a robbery occurring but nothing indepth. 2 of the 4 sources are primary. LibStar (talk) 01:20, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Agree with nomination. Closest I could find to WP:SIGCOV was this however it appears to be paid marketing. Everything else that came up for me had to do with incidents or events which were at the shopping centre, however the articles themselves appear not to be about the shopping centre. This doesn't appear to meet WP:ORG. TarnishedPath^talk 02:22, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's possible this does pass our notability guidelines. This local government business news I'm not sure would count, but it does show the centre was notable enough when it opened to receive press which would count towards WP:GNG. A historical source search will be needed. SportingFlyer T·C 04:00, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bland skurkar, helgon och vanligt folk[edit]

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Failed PROD, dePRODded because Google isn't through enough for a BEFORE check. Unfortunately, I don't have access to other sources, and this article isn't easily redirected. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 00:56, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Can somebody check Swedish media for notability? Given that the Swedish page for the article lacks sources, I'm doubtful, but it could breathe life into this article. -1ctinus📝🗨 02:00, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions. /Julle (talk) 09:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It's a tad difficult to get a good overview of sources from things released in 1999, since the archives tend to be less reliable. Nevertheless, this tour seems to have been one of the most signficant of the year. It got an award from one of the biggest Swedish newspapers, it was talked about as "the best tour" and so on. I've tried to expand the article: The singular focus on the album doesn't make sense to me, when the album was a product of an acclaimed tour. My access to sources of the time is not good enough to split them into two separate articles; they belong together. The article also lacked information about the band, which, yet again, might not work as well in a separate article, but should be briefly explained together with the tour and the album. I've expanded the article somewhat and added sources. /Julle (talk) 09:29, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Removed Finland from the deletion sorting. Seems to have been added my mistake instead of Sweden? Don't see the Finnish connection, but please undo my edit if I'm mistaken. /Julle (talk) 09:31, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Plutomania Records[edit]

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NCORP fail. Graywalls (talk) 00:53, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Shallipopi: For now, as it fails WP:GNG or WP:ORGCRIT, in the future it might have more WP:SIGCOV in WP:NGRS. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 05:44, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect: Per Vanderwaalforces. There's insufficient significant coverage for now. @T.C.G. [talk] 07:28, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Laal Ishq (Pakistani TV series)[edit]

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Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG DonaldD23 talk to me 00:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: First things first—NTV is an essay, not a policy or even a guideline. Secondly, yes, it fails to meet WP:GNG because I couldn't find sign/in-depth coverage, such as reviews. All I could find is some ROTM coverage which isn't sufficient. For example, this coverage based on interviews doesn't meet GNG because it's not independent of the subject, and this other coverage is more like a press release. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 09:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Angna (TV series)[edit]

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Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG DonaldD23 talk to me 00:16, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Yes it fails to meet GNG because I couldn't find sign/in-depth coverage, such as reviews. Some ROTM coverage like this isn't sufficient. The article is based on several unreliable sources. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 10:00, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dulhan (TV series)[edit]

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Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG DonaldD23 talk to me 00:16, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I couldn't even find ROTM coverage, much less sig/in-depth coverage. The article relies on unreliable sources. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 10:03, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Haqeeqat (2019 TV series)[edit]

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Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG DonaldD23 talk to me 00:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I couldn't even find ROTM coverage, much less sig/in-depth coverage. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 10:06, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hoor Pari[edit]

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Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG DonaldD23 talk to me 00:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Yes it fails to meet GNG because i couldn't find sig/in depth coverage such as reviews etc.The article is based on some namechecks coverage. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 10:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mere Khuda[edit]

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Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG DonaldD23 talk to me 00:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails to meet GNG as i couldn't find sig/in depth coverage such as reviews etc. All I could find is some namechecks coverage like this, this, and this. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 10:11, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tural Yusifov[edit]

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It is questionable the DJ is an encyclopedic person. Not enough for an encyclopedia.--Correspondentman (talk) 09:56, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Elmir Valiyev[edit]

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NO GNG. Created for advertising and PR purposes. There is no criterion that makes a person encyclopedic.--Correspondentman (talk) 10:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Files[edit]

File:KL (book).jpg[edit]

This image only contains simple text/shapes and is thus ineligible for copyright due to being below the required threshold of originality. License should thus be changed to {{PD-textlogo}}. JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 05:19, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Harvey Danger - Flagpole Sitta.ogg[edit]

Nine seconds longer than what MOS:SAMPLE intends for a 217-second song, but that's not the main issue. Indeed, no proof that the portion heard in the sample, especially part of first verse, contextually signifies the whole song lasting 217 seconds. Sure, it identifies the song, but I can't help wonder whether the song can be understood without this sample and whether deleting the sample would detriment such understanding. Furthermore, its roles are similar to that of a cover art (in terms of branding and marketing) and those of free text (that drive readers into seeking and listening the full recording). George Ho (talk) 08:16, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Kwyp nlogo 1.png[edit]

The file is the logo of Kwong Wah Daily, which is used in the article as a visual illustration. However, we already have an image of the newspaper's old version on Commons. If one may argue the Commons version isn't clear enough (so we can't ascertain whether it was in public domain), NUS also holds a collection of the newspaper at 1927-1928 and 1930, in which they are already in Malaysian public domain after1980 (and consequently in US public domain too).

With all the free resources, the file is therefore violating WP:NFCC#1, and should be deleted. 廣九直通車 (talk) 08:37, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:The End of St. Petersburg.jpg[edit]

PD, now available on Commons: c:File:The End of St. Petersburg, poster.jpg. Yann (talk) 15:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Categories[edit]

NEW NOMINATIONS[edit]

Category:Categories without CatAutoTOC and friends[edit]

Propose merging Category:Template Large category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 1,201–2,000 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Large category TOC without Automatic category TOC
Propose merging Category:Template Large category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 2,001–5,000 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Large category TOC without Automatic category TOC
Propose merging Category:Template Large category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 5,001–10,000 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Large category TOC without Automatic category TOC
Propose merging Category:Template Large category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 10,001–20,000 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Large category TOC without Automatic category TOC
Propose merging Category:Template Large category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with over 20,000 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Large category TOC without Automatic category TOC
Propose merging Category:Template Category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 101–200 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Category TOC without Automatic category TOC
Propose merging Category:Template Category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 201–300 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Category TOC without Automatic category TOC
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Propose merging Category:Template Category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 901–1200 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Category TOC without Automatic category TOC
Propose deleting Category:Categories without CatAutoTOC (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale:

This whole tree needs a little bit of love. I came here to propose a speedy rename from "Foo CatAutoTOC bar" to "Foo Automatic category TOC bar" following a RM at Template talk:Automatic category TOC#Requested move 28 April 2024, but I think this whole tree needs to be simplified. It is so small that diffusing by number of pages in the category is a hindrance to navigation. I will also note that Category:Categories without CatAutoTOC is terribly named: it only contains categories which use {{Category TOC}} or {{Large category TOC}} directly.

I propose we get rid of the tree and replace it with two categories, one for each template: Category:Categories which use Large category TOC without Automatic category TOC and Category:Categories which use Category TOC without Automatic category TOC. Finally, I propose we delete Category:Categories without CatAutoTOC in favor of a hatnote between the two new categories. House Blaster (talk · he/him) 21:06, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Rātana politicians[edit]

Propose deleting Category:Rātana politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. No need to merge, the subcategory is already in the tree of the three potential targets. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:24, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are we certain there are no Rātana people who stood but were not elected? I would prefer to keep ‘politicians’, but delete ‘MPs’. If that is not preferred, then yes, I would still delete ‘politicians’. — HTGS (talk) 00:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merging Category:Rātana MPs to Category:Rātana politicians is also an option. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: there seems to be a lot of confusion in this category (and in articles relating to Rātana as a political force). Some of these people are adherents of the Rātana faith who became MPs, others of them were MPs for the Rātana Party or (after affiliation with the Labour Party) MPs officially endorsed by the Rātana church. Soraya Peke-Mason, for example, is a Rātana, but not an official Rātana-endorsed MP. If that can be cleared up I'd support Marcocapelle's second suggestion (merging MPs into politicians). Grutness...wha? 14:22, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is a very interesting observation. In fact 5 out of 7 have exclusively been politicians for the Labour party. Category:Rātana MPs is better to be merged to Category:New Zealand Rātanas for that reason. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:36, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have tagged Category:Rātana MPs too. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Georgetown College (Kentucky)[edit]

Propose renaming Category:Georgetown College (Kentucky) to Category:Georgetown College

Nominator's rationale: In line with the main article, Georgetown College. Graham (talk) 02:08, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Deaths from food poisoning[edit]

Propose renaming Category:Deaths from food poisoning to Category:Deaths by food poisoning

Nominator's rationale: Conflict in naming conventions between Category:Deaths from digestive disease and Category:Deaths from infectious disease; and Category:Deaths by poisoning. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 20:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – I think we mostly use "deaths by" for intentional killings, "deaths from" or "deaths due to" where there was no intention. The current name seems to be natural English, but Category:Deaths due to food poisoning sounds OK as an alternative. – Fayenatic London 10:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose per Fayenatic. Split in intentional and unintentional deaths (discuss catnames). Food poisoning or foodborne illness is something which happens by accident, due to carelessness or lack of knowledge or diligence in preparing food before consuming it. I've never seen intentional killings described as "food poisoning", even if the method used was to poison someone's food (food or drink is by far the most common means of getting lethal poison into someone's body while covering the perpetrator's traces). It might be better to Rename to Category:Deaths from foodborne illnesses to align with the main article foodborne illness, and because the present continuous poisoning is ambiguous, as it can be both understood as passive (unintentional) and active (deliberate). It should then also be Re-parented to Category:Deaths from disease. However, for those deaths caused by intentionally poisoned foods or drinks, it might be better to create a separate category. Given sibling Category:Victims of intentional poisonings, I believe we need to have the word "intentional" in the catname, for clear distinction from foodborne illnesses. Something like Category:Deaths by intentional food poisonings? However we formulate it, I would recommend a Template:Category see also in the catdescs of both cats after the split to help readers and editors find what they are looking for. NLeeuw (talk) 14:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Fayenatic london and LaundryPizza03: thoughts? House Blaster (talk · he/him) 01:09, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Sound s good, except the parent should be Category:Deaths from foodborne illness. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:19, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @Nederlandse Leeuw: does this work for you? House Blaster (talk · he/him) 17:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Yes! NLeeuw (talk) 17:48, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename and redirect to Category:Deaths from foodborne illnesses. I don't object strongly to the singular "from foodborne illness", but that lead article refers multiple times to "illnesses" and there is a parent Category:Foodborne illnesses. Replace subcat relationship with two-way "see also" links to Category:Deaths by poisoning, which is where deliberate cases belong. Split to that category rather than a new one, as I'm not convinced that the use of food as the vector is WP:DEFINING to a poisoning. The sweets poisoning cases belong there, even 1858 Bradford sweets poisoning in which food was accidentally contaminated with a poison. IMHO, deaths by foodborne illnesses should be restricted to infections (bacteria, viruses, prions) rather than toxins. – Fayenatic London 11:34, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rename and redirect to Category:Deaths from foodborne illnesses in order to distinguish the category more clearly from Category:Deaths by poisoning. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:27, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American people of Arab descent[edit]

Propose deleting Category:American people of Arab descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Arab Americans (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose merging Category:Arab American politicians to Category:American politicians of Middle Eastern descent

Nominator's rationale: Empty category, fork of the Category:American people of Middle Eastern descent. Aldij (talk) 15:34, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all, the single article is already in Category:American politicians of Lebanese descent and it isn't even about someone of Arab descent. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:31, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Central African Republic people[edit]

Propose renaming Category:Central African Republic people to Category:People from the Central African Republic
Propose renaming Category:Central African Republic women to Category:Women from the Central African Republic
Propose renaming Category:Central African Republic men to Category:Men from the Central African Republic
Propose renaming Category:Central African Republic women by occupation to Category:Women from the Central African Republic by occupation
Propose renaming Category:Central African Republic men by occupation to Category:Men from the Central African Republic by occupation
Propose renaming Category:Central African Republic bishops to Category:Bishops from the Central African Republic by occupation
Propose renaming Category:Central African Republic Roman Catholic bishops to Category:Roman Catholic bishops from the Central African Republic by occupation

Nominator's rationale: Although most nationality categories are named 'Fooinan people', there are several exceptions: Category:People from Georgia (country), Category:People from Northern Ireland, Category:People from the State of Palestine, as well as almost all subcategories in Category:People by former country and about half of those in Category:People by dependent territory. I think 'People from the Central African Republic' is a much clearer and better name in English than 'Central African Republic people'. Aldij (talk) 15:18, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Caucasus Jews[edit]

Propose deleting Category:Caucasus Jews (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: There are two Jewish ethnic groups originating from the Caucasus region: Mountain Jews and Georgian Jews. The term Caucasus Jews currently redirects to "Mountain Jews." These two groups are culturally distinct; they speak different languages and have many differences in customs and culture. However, other Jewish communities have also resided and continue to reside in the Caucasus region, including primarily Ashkenazi Jews, as well as some Sephardic and Bukharan Jews. Therefore, this category does not make sense. Currently, this category encompasses Jews from three modern countries, yet "Caucasus Jews" redirects to "Mountain Jews." Note: I have just separated the entries for category:Jews from Georgia (country) and category:Georgian Jews. Aldij (talk) 11:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If not deleted, rename to Category:Jews in the Caucasus to clarify its purpose. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If not kept, disambiguate including Category:Mountain Jews and category:Georgian Jews. Surprisingly, these are not within Category:Peoples of the Caucasus. – Fayenatic London 21:36, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That was my mistake; I have already corrected it by adding Category:Peoples of the Caucasus. However, I did not understand your proposal for disambiguation. Category:Mountain Jews and Category:Georgian Jews represent separate ethnic groups, while the current Category:Armenian Jews, Category:Azerbaijani Jews‎ and Category:Jews from Georgia (country)‎ merely denote Jews by nationality. Additionally, the term "Caucasus Jews" redirects to Mountain Jews, which implicitly suggests that it is the primary topic. Aldij (talk) 14:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:British people of Tajik descent[edit]

Propose merging Category:British people of Tajik descent to Category:People of Tajik descent

Nominator's rationale: 1 article category Gjs238 (talk) 12:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Clearly part of a detailed and comprehensive category tree. No purpose whatsoever served by deletion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or delete, the article is already in Category:Uzbekistani emigrants to the United Kingdom where it properly belongs. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- It is, but she was born in Uzbekistan of Tajik descent, so this category is also appropriate, since she is indeed a British person of Tajik descent. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:13, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - It's still a 1-article category. Gjs238 (talk) 12:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Then merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:20, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Canadian people of Tajik descent[edit]

Propose merging Category:Canadian people of Tajik descent to Category:People of Tajik descent

Nominator's rationale: 1 article category Gjs238 (talk) 12:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Clearly part of a detailed and comprehensive category tree. No purpose whatsoever served by deletion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or delete, the category does not contain any biography. The topic article is already in Category:Asian diaspora in Canada where it properly belongs. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:45, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:People of West Asian descent[edit]

Propose deleting Category:People of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Argentine people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Brazilian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Canadian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Chinese people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Croatian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Egyptian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Emirati people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Ethiopian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Filipino people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:German people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Iraqi people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Israeli people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Japanese people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Jordanian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Kuwaiti people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Lebanese people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Libyan people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Omani people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Peruvian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Polish people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Saudi Arabian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Serbian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:South African people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Swedish people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Syrian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Turkish people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:West Asian diaspora in Israel (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:West Asian diaspora in the United States (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:West Asian diaspora (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This category tree is not needed. Western Asia is often conflated with the Middle East. Western Asia includes the South Caucasus but does not include Egypt (outside the Sinai Peninsula) and Turkish Thrace (geographically in Southeast Europe). Now "West Asian descent" categories merely serve as containers for "Middle East descent" and "Caucasus descent." However, these classifications are not entirely accurate. The term "People of Middle East descent" includes individuals from the African part of Egypt and Turkish Thrace in Europe, while "People of Caucasus descent" encompasses individuals from the North Caucasus in Europe. Aldij (talk) 09:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Asian parent categories. I agree that West Asia and Middle East are largely overlapping and we do not need both. However, it does not make sense to remove the content from the Asian tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, merge to Asian parent categories is better. Aldij (talk) 14:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Merging to Asian parent categories is my second choice per Marco. NLeeuw (talk) 21:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment First, Category:Canadian people of West Asian descent has been emptied. Secondly, if we have categories for South Asia and Southeast Asia, wouldn't it make more sense to keep West Asia and dump the "Middle East" categories instead? They both are a little imprecise but what would make more sense fitting in with the existing geographic categorization? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would not oppose that either. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it would be better to merge the category trees of South Asia and Southeast Asia into Asia as well. I will nominate them separately now. Regarding the decision to discard the "Middle East" categories, I'm not certain there is consensus for this, nor am I sure whether I will personally support it. However, perhaps they need to be deleted as well. Aldij (talk) 15:59, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships[edit]

Propose renaming Category:1999 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:1999 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2000 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2000 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2001 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2001 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2011 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2011 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2012 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2012 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2013 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2013 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2014 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2014 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2015 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2015 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2016 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships‎ to Category:2016 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2017 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships‎ to Category:2017 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2018 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships‎ to Category:2018 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2019 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships‎ to Category:2019 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2020 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships‎ to Category:2020 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2021 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships‎ to Category:2021 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2022 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships‎ to Category:2022 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2023 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships‎ to Category:2023 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2024 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships‎ to Category:2024 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships

Nominator's rationale: Harmonizing subcategory names in the Category:IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championship. Please see also the previous discussion here. Maiō T. (talk) 17:52, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The nomenclature aligns with the official name of the tournament as used by the IIHF. Spitzmauskc (talk) 15:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The naming is unnecessarily redundant. The proposal is equivalent to "1999 International Ice Hockey Federation Ice Hockey Women's World Championships". What logical reason is there to say ice hockey twice? Seems like the parent category should be discussed, not the children. Flibirigit (talk) 11:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The IIHF uses "IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championship" on all official documentation. I suspect the inclusion of 'Ice Hockey' has its roots in the period during which the IIHF also organized the IIHF Inline Hockey World Championship. While I don’t disagree that the name may read as redundant, I do see value in maintaining the official name and feel the inclusion of 'Ice Hockey' is a helpful indicator for readers who may not be familiar with the IIHF acronym. Spitzmauskc (talk) 19:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Arab diaspora in the Middle East[edit]

Propose deleting Category:Arab diaspora in the Middle East (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Not all individuals from countries such as Egypt, Iraq, Palestine, Syria, and Lebanon self-identify as Arabs. Therefore, this categorization may be misleading and fail to accurately reflect the diverse ethnic and national identities of people from these regions. Additionally, the term "diaspora" refers to a community of people who live outside their place of origin or ancestry. However, since Arabs are indigenous to the Middle East, the use of "diaspora" in this context can be confusing and inaccurate. Aldij (talk) 09:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mexican people of Arab descent[edit]

Propose merging Category:Mexican people of Arab descent to Category:Mexican people of Middle Eastern descent

Nominator's rationale: Small category, I propose to upmerge into category:Mexican people of Middle Eastern descent. Aldij (talk) 09:19, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Shiromani Akali Dal (Amritsar)[edit]

Propose deleting Category:Shiromani Akali Dal (Amritsar) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, only contains the eponymous article and a subcategory. The subcategory suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fiddlers from Sweden[edit]

Propose merging Category:Fiddlers from Sweden to Category:Swedish fiddlers

Nominator's rationale: I think these categories should be merged because frankly it's confusing to have two swedish categories Mason (talk) 04:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename of Alien invasions in media et al.[edit]

Propose renaming Category:Alien abduction films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Films about alien abduction
Propose renaming Category:Alien abduction in novels (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Novels about alien abduction
Propose renaming Category:Alien abduction in television (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Television about alien abduction
Propose renaming Category:Alien abduction in video games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Video games about alien abduction
Propose renaming Category:Alien invasions in comics (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Comics about alien invasions
Propose renaming Category:Alien invasions in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about alien invasions
Propose renaming Category:Alien invasions in films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Films about alien invasions
Propose renaming Category:Alien invasions in video games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Video games about alien invasions
Propose renaming Category:Alien visitations in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about alien visitations
Propose renaming Category:Alien visitations in films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Films about alien visitations
Propose renaming Category:Alien invasions in music (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Music about alien invasions
Propose renaming Category:Alien invasions in novels (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Novels about alien invasions
Propose renaming Category:Alien invasions in television (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Television about alien invasions
Propose renaming Category:First contact science fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Science fiction about first contact
Propose renaming Category:Roswell incident in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about the Roswell incident
Propose renaming Category:Xenoarchaeology in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about xenoarchaeology

Nominator's rationale: Rename per several past renames, in order to make it clear that these categories are for media that are about alien invasions and such, not where such things make potentially trivial appearances. DonIago (talk) 02:31, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Surely we dont want [Category:Alien visitations in fiction] be populated with novels where, like, "Hey Bob, Pete says he was visited by aliens. He must be drinking" - Altenmann >talk
Rename, stressing that it should be a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename all except "alien visitations", which should be upmerged as overly vague - alien visitation is a disambiguation page. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Trivial examples can already be removed with the current names and related guidelines. Cambalachero (talk) 12:57, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see how this is an argument against renaming the categories? This discussion is consistent with multiple recent category renamings as noted in the rationale. A few of them: [39], [40], [41], [42]. DonIago (talk) 13:32, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Comic book editors[edit]

Propose renaming Category:Comic book editors to Category:Comics editors

Nominator's rationale: The term "comic book" is used for periodical comics publications and is not inclusive of manga, webcomics, graphic novels, etc. "Comics editors" is inclusive of all forms of comics. Thematthewmurray (talk) 22:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Those are different industries, don't mix apples and oranges. Rather create "manga editors" in Category:Manga industry and list them there. As for the others, graphic novels may not be the same as comic books, but the industry that makes them is the same one, so there's no problem grouping them together. And are there webcomic editors? isn't that a self-published genre? Cambalachero (talk) 00:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While there have been webcomics editors for years, the rise of webcomic platforms/sites like Webtoon and Tapas mean that they are more prominent than before.

Since you suggested splitting out Japanese editors, I'll mention that the category also currently includes comics editors who worked in the comics industries in Belgium, Brazil, China, France, Italy, Mexico, the Netherlands, Serbia, and the UK. Thematthewmurray (talk) 15:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If the industry of webcomics is so developed now, then yes, create a third category for them. As for Japan, Japanese comics are a specific and distinct genre in its own right. Can we say the same of the comics of those other countries? Cambalachero (talk) 16:35, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are pages for Bande dessinée (Franco-Belgian comics), Brazilian comics, Comics in Mexico, Manhua (Chinese comics), Dutch comics, Serbian comics, and British comics. I am far from an expert in all of these, but I feel that some of them (such as Franco-Belgian comics) are easily as developed as Japanese comics.

I'll also mention that the majority of other categories for comics-related positions use the term "comics." Category:Comics creators, Category:Comics writers, Category:Comics artists, Category:Comics colorists, and Category:Comics inkers. (The one exception is Category:Comic book letterers.) Additionally the subpages are in the same format: Category:Comics writers by nationality. Thematthewmurray (talk) 16:56, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:27, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Franz von Sickingen[edit]

Propose merging Category:Franz von Sickingen to Category:Knights' War

Nominator's rationale: This category only contains the Franz von Sickingen, who was a leader of the Knights' War and the category of the conflict. I think that they should either be merged or this category should be deleted. It really doesn't help navigation. Mason (talk) 00:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per WP:OCEPON. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:27, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects[edit]

Iflea[edit]

Iflea → IPod (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unclear relationship between "Iflea" and an iPod. Not mentioned at target page, 0 page views in the last year (other than me), not linked from any Wikipedia pages. Searching returns flea bites, an ancient mobile game, a few companies, but I'm not seeing anything related to iPods. Not a commonly used nickname either as far as I'm aware. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 16:02, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anita Alvarez(politician)[edit]

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

Return to Oz(song)[edit]

Return to Oz(song) → Scissor Sisters (album) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unecessary redirect with no space before a parenthetical disambiguation that has only minor page history, no incoming links from mainspace, and where a redirect with an otherwise identical but correctly spaced disambiguator exists, speedy contested by User:SafariScribe without explanation, as such I am bringing this here. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:64D4:1CAD:2D37:C84B (talk) 15:32, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Super Mario Bros. U : Luigi's Turn[edit]

New Super Mario Bros. U : Luigi's Turn → New Super Luigi U (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No pages link to it, and doesn't seem that likely of a search term. Kolventra (talk) 13:56, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete per spaces before and after colons being a violation of basic grammar rules cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

UA (India)[edit]

UA (India) → Uttarakhand (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

There is no indication that the abbreviation UA is used in any context for Uttarakhand. There is a vehicle code column in the table at States and union territories of India where UK is used for Uttarakhand, but no UA. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Vehicle registration plates of India, this was the vehicle registration code for the former name of the state "Uttaranchal". Gotitbro (talk) 11:57, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A 17-year out-of-date vehicle code seems an unlikely search term to merit a redirect from "UA (India)" to Uttarakhand. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:21, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It still appears on vehicles in the state, and is also used by the state government in communications (e.g.: https://uaresults.nic.in/; main contact adresses still operating at "ua@nic.in", ua.nic.in) among others. Do not see why it would not be a likely search term. Gotitbro (talk) 13:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 11:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hatnote (disambiguation)[edit]

Hatnote (disambiguation) → Wikipedia:Hatnote (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hatnote – redirect (soft)
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 July 20 § Hatnote – keep
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 6 § Hatnote – no consensus
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 17 § Hatnote – no consensus

Appears to be a bad cross namespace redirect. Note that the page Hatnote was brought up for discussion multiple times and closed as no consensus. One may not even be searching for this. Toadette^Edit! 07:54, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete I didn't know about WP:R2 at the time. JoshuaAuble (talk) 11:40, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The project space is one of the exceptions to R2. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Added previous RfDs box (with one AFD!). I'll also note that in the 2022 discussion, HATLINK was deleted while Hatnotes and Hat note were part of the no consensus close. Skynxnex (talk) 13:19, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's indeed a cross namespace redirect, but is it really bad? The target is a cross namespace disambiguation page, they are matching each other. So I vote Keep. --MikutoH ^talk! 00:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or keep?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:19, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - there are no articles titled "hatnote" which require disambiguation, and a cross-namespace redirect from mainspace to a project disambiguation page is not useful. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 15:39, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: XNR, no pages titled hatnote to disambiguate. (Hatnote itself is also a controversial redirect). StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 16:42, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shihab Chottur (walker)[edit]

Shihab Chottur (walker) → List of longest walks (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This is an article (Shihab Chottur (walker)) with a notable WP:1E from a long walking list. Please move this article to its own main page, or take it back as an article ~~ User:Spworld2 (talk) 07:31, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I took the liberty of tagging this redirect, which wasn't tagged initially by the nom. CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:27, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Templates and Modules[edit]

Template:The Great Seljuks: Guardians of Justice[edit]

Template:The Great Seljuks: Guardians of Justice (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Just 2 episodes. WP:NENAN --wooden superman 12:08, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chadic languages navigational templates[edit]

Template:Biu–Mandara languages (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:East Chadic languages (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Masa languages (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:West Chadic languages (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Chadic languages (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Biu–Mandara languages, Template:East Chadic languages, Template:Masa languages and Template:West Chadic languages with Template:Chadic languages.
The reason I think the latter three navigational templates, and possibly also {{Biu–Mandara languages}}, should be merged into a new template called {{Chadic languages}}, is because the four language sub-families are related to each other and because I personally think that {{Masa languages}}, and possibly {{East Chadic languages}} and {{West Chadic languages}}, are too small to be separate. PK2 (talk) 01:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would seem by the amount of links that the new template will be pretty big. Large navigation templates aren't really user-friendly. Gonnym (talk) 08:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, all templates except {{Masa languages}} are already pretty large, and merging them all into one template would be unwieldy. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 16:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The reason I decided not to notify User:Abrahamic Faiths about this merge proposal is because they've been retired from working on Wikipedia since mid-2016. PK2 (talk) 13:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miscellany[edit]

Deletion review[edit]

Mitslal Kifleyesus-Matschie[edit]

I'd like to request a deletion review for the subject. It is a notable subject and remained there for almost a year. I would really appreciate a constructive dialog on said matter. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.188.92.234 (talk • contribs)

Endorse the G5 but allow recreation by any editor in good standing. The article was created and substantially only edited by a confirmed sock of User:Wrathofyazdan, and deleted as such. A quick look didn't reveal any independent SIGCOV about the subject, but I might have missed something. I see no reason to forbid recreation, ideally as a draft, by a legitimate editor. Owen× ☎ 16:08, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Hasan Khan". The News International.

[2] "Hasan Khan — the superstar of tomorrow". The News International.

[3] "Stunning and brilliant – Hasan Khan". The News International.

[4] "More than meets the eye". The News International.

[5] "Sachal Afzal". The News International.

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